I don’t want those fuckers anywhere near my kids. Not only are they fucking nuts, but this is the kind of shit that always winds up with a bunch of pedos “protecting the children”
That’s why I’m not going anywhere near that building but urge parents to show up to actually defend their kids, from the conservative lunatics. I’m strange, immature and overprotective of kids, but I recognize that this isn’t my fight, and I’m not a creep.
I know I’m just one person, but since 2017 I’ve come to the terrifying conclusion that some people will look for any excuse they can to discredit people who disagree with the group consensus (in this case, disagreeing with all the multiple consensus clusters of the various political extremes and of short-sighted “extreme centrism”) and that on the surface and combined with my digital footprint of being “confrontational” (long story, but a quack psychiatrist ruined my life), a person who would want to sabotage my life could easily paint me as some sicko instead of someone with Autism who genuinely wishes the best for kids because I had my childhood disrupted by people who tore me away from my family at age 10.
Literally every one of these concern trolling groups hides an actual predator or ten. The rest are all apologists or guilty of other forms of emotional abuse and neglect.
I mean id probably be good if we waited until hs or college to teach gender identity. Middle school or prior is too early, too confusing for kids who have the misfortune (like me) of maturing very early thanks to GMO foods. Sure teach everyone to not impregnate eachother, but stop at biologics with children.
After reading this comment section I will say that the term far-right is misused so much (thanks headline writer). I am someone who, for example, thinks abortion should be legal, yet that we shouldn’t be teaching kids that if their emotions are strong enough that they should commit to cross dressing and surgeries. Not to say the trans community is entirely con artists, only that they should wait until people are closer to adulthood and therefore more mature before they make permanent decisions.
As it sits the trans movements’ momentum relies heavily on indoctrination of kids, and its sad and alarming that these ideas are not as persuasive to older people. We should not stand behind ideologies that make less sense as we mature, especially in publicly funded school systems. We should teach the oldest ideas to the youngest people, not the other way around.
At college though, we should certainly teach the newest ideas to the now older people. Including trans theory
From my kids schooling, sex ed in early grades focuses on consent (“Don’t touch people if they say no”), acceptance of differences (“Don’t make fun of someone cuz they look/act different”), and acceptance of self (“try to understand your own feelings”).
I haven’t seen anything about pushing an agenda beyond personal autonomy. Can you tell me where you heard about this kind of agenda?
Sure, and the “don’t touch me there, thats my no no square” programming I think is good, and productive.
The issue I have is the ‘later’ grades education. For me (class of 2020) the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade, where we were taught absolutely everything. All of the intercourses, all of the anatomy.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
My argument is not that we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves.
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know, so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them? (Aka adult teacher).
Acceptance is a slightly different issue, just as we learn to not point at people with disabilities, all people should learn to not point at someone who cross dresses, and furthermore should try to befriend them, just as in the case of a disabled person
I like how you’re arbitrarily setting the line to which we all should believe and follow actual experts and where we should ignore them.
Are there other areas where you know more than professionals with accreditation and decades of experience and are thus best to determine where the line is better than they can?
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know,
I’m not sure that is the case. Two of my cohort didn’t come out until they were much, much older. One came out as gay in his thirties, the other transitioned in her forties. Both experimented with cis relationships. Both found what they were looking for elsewhere. It took decades to figure that out.
so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them?
I think it takes some people a while to figure things out. Especially if it means doing something outside their experience.
I would think that letting kids know about other sexualities early would help them understand why they aren’t interested in what their peers are up to.
the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade,
I’m closer to the class of 2000 - I’m surprised that the last round of sex ed you received was only grade 5. I’m pretty sure we got a rundown on straight sex (focusing on STDs/pregnancy/condoms) and a warning about gay sex (AIDS! srsly) in grade five or six, and then a reminder in grade 8 or 9.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
What kind of follow-up would have made sense?
we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves
What kind of standing up are you referring to? When I hear “standing up”, I think of people protecting something. Is that what you mean?
We must’ve have no tolerance for intolerance. Trans rights are human rights.
Children must know it’s normal to have different gender expression, both for themselves and for others. Kids are literally dying because of hate, bigotry, and bullying.
Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t think fear is a productive response. Bottom line concentrated chemicals can be dangerous. I don’t think that is in any way controversial.
Do you eat corn, corn syrup, or sugar? Corn chips?
And evidence that endocrine disruptors affects age of puberty:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.1104748#r17
“We estimated an inverse association between urinary 2,5-DCP concentration and age of menarche in girls 12–16 years of age who participated in the NHANES study during 2003–2008. To our knowledge, ours is the first population-based study to report an association between exposure to the putative environmental EDC dichlorobenzene and age of menarche, an outcome that may reflect endocrine-disrupting effects. “
Fear can be good, it stops us doing things that are unnecessarily risky. I apparently hold the controversial opinion that we should treat our bodies better.
I mean id probably be good if we waited until hs or college to teach gender identity.
Children are bombarded by gender norms long before they stop using diapers… so you can’t really mean ‘gender identity’ here. Presumably you mean “nobody should learn about transgender identities until high school or maybe college”.
I assume, much like the many people who realize they are gay or lesbian earlier in adolescence, that many transgendered individuals also realize or suspect their gender status early in adolescence as well. It’s rather cruel to hide away information like this at the time when it is especially relevant… just as it would be cruel to not teach about periods until many girls have already started them (another bright inspiration brought to us by social conservatives). Rather than being isolated in the dark, children should be supported as they grow into their own individuals.
Motherfuckers wield the word “indoctrination” like a bludgeon, hoping that nobody notices they’ve been beating down everyone in the world with their own indoctrination since time immemorial.
I think your argument here is essentially, more sooner, more better. This on its face makes sense, as there are people (not you nor I) who are gay, lesbian, or trans from birth and those people ought to be taught how the world has essentially mistreated them.
I don’t think though that that is support. I mean, if you scrape your knee, and someone gives you a lecture on how pavement is harder than flesh and that because of that you were injured then they are not supporting you.
If a person is trans, what they need is no different from what any other person needs. They need to know they are loved. They need to know that they are accepted.
Why is it automatically the default that gay, lesbian, and trans people are automatically “isolated in the dark” if they are not taught about social structures at the ripe age of 10 years old?
Not only is it unlikely that a child would affect our society (so therefore why teach it), but it is even more unlikely that they are mature enough to understand the complexity of what our society is.
We should be teaching kids how to love each other, they shouldn’t need a reason.
If you think sex ed should be delayed until it’s literally TOO FUCKING LATE, then you are actually far right and just don’t admit it. I don’t give a shit what your other beliefs are. “High school or college”? You’re trolling, right?
Do you have any idea how many kids literally kill themselves because nobody ever told them it was actually okay (as in, incredibly common, and not a mental illness or abomination) to feel like that? And those that actually make it through into their twenties and beyond suffer lifelong serious emotional damage just from the ostracization, even IF they decide to conform (some would say especially if).
Your idiotic archaic notions of denying them the power to know and choose for themselves is the real indoctrination, and that shit actually KILLS kids.
I’m certainly conservative, I have denied nothing. I’m not an extremist, but that doesn’t fit into your worldview, therefore not true.
You are a far left bigoted idiot, and I cannot believe that you’re opinion is even real. Chances are that you genuinely are a russian bot here to muck up the conversation.
And as for your stupid point, fact is that more people kill themselves after transitioning, not before. Why is complex, some is external, some is internal, but numbers don’t lie.
Here is your response and my evidence, another has written it:
They do not use numbers, only emotions, if they used numbers, they would have no argument.
From the post:
“There you have it. To be clear:
No, the study does not show that medical transition results in suicide or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic.
No, the study does not prove that trans women are rapists or likely to be rapists. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a euphemism for rape.
No, the study does not prove that trans women exhibit male socialization. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a claim that trans women were convicted of the same types of crime as cis men.”
You will say I can’t read, wrong, I just don’t believe what people say, I believe what they can prove. The numbers say that post transition suicide rates go up, the person who wrote it says the opposite, likely entirely motivated by fear of people like you spreading hate and disinformation.
Puberty and maturity are not the same thing. Unfortunately, yes, we have to educate people on sexual matters when their body is ahead of their brain.
That I think is a problem, with a complex solution.
Simply taking the same curriculum that was once meant for 7th graders and teaching it to 5th graders is what has happened in the real world, and I think it was a bad response.
Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t think fear is a productive response. Bottom line concentrated chemicals can be dangerous. I don’t think that is in any way controversial.
Do you eat corn, corn syrup, or sugar? Corn chips?
And evidence that endocrine disruptors affects age of puberty:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.1104748#r17
“We estimated an inverse association between urinary 2,5-DCP concentration and age of menarche in girls 12–16 years of age who participated in the NHANES study during 2003–2008. To our knowledge, ours is the first population-based study to report an association between exposure to the putative environmental EDC dichlorobenzene and age of menarche, an outcome that may reflect endocrine-disrupting effects. “
Fear can be good, it stops us doing things that are unnecessarily risky. I apparently hold the controversial opinion that we should treat our bodies better.
Pesticides may have effects on the timing of puberty. But genetic modification is something completely different. GM crops have their own risks (contamination of wild populations, seed monopolies etc.) but as far as I know they do not affect human health.
Not fully, but I browsed through both, and I (mostly) agree with what they are saying. But they are talking about pesticides, not GM organisms. Again, I’m not claiming that there are no issues with GMOs. But pesticides and GMOs are completely different! You cannot show that pesticides cause X and then claim that therefore GMOs cause X.
In fact, even organic foods can have pesticides. They can just use organic pesticides.
GMOs have no more “chemicals” than any other food. In fact, they often have less “chemicals”, since they can often reduce pesticide use on pest-resistant GMO crops.
Most of the modifications in Genetically Modified Organisms are modifications that allow the plant to resist pesticides, no? True this would not be necessary for organic pesticides, but then also we could have food that is not derived from a GMO…
I’m not an expert, but off the top of my head, there are GMOs for drought resistance, creating natural pesticides on leaves (of potatoes), increased vitamin A (for rice to prevent childhood blindness), higher yields, seed-free varieties of fruits, and many others.
I agree that we shouldn’t be teaching gender identity until high school or college! Time to ban Barbie Dolls and Action Figures! Since those teach gender identity. We also shouldn’t teach children that their female teaches are Ms. or Mrs. and their male teachers Mr. That’s gender identity too!
I have a question for my Canadian sisters, brothers, and others.
How much of this shit is actually organic to Canadian culture, and how much creeps in because the assholes there see what the assholes in the US are exploiting and decide to give it a try there?
Australian here. We got the same shit going down here and it’s very much not organic to our culture. We’re having a referendum this year for our first nations people to be recognised in our constitution. I shit you not the campaign against this is being funded directly by the same bad actors behind the culture wars bullshit in the US.
(Anglo) Canada is culture creep: the nation. We never left Britain, but we sound like Americans when we talk. You know why? Every time something bad happens down there a giant wave of immigrants comes up here. Draft dodgers were only the latest wave.
So yeah, they’re very clearly ripping off the GOP. You can also tell because they didn’t even really change the artwork. The question is what will we do about them? I’m afraid we’re going to go the modern German way and let hate movements fester until they’re too big to effectively deal with.
That’s a great question. I think there’s been a lot of influence from the U.S., but the potential for this inane behaviour was always there.
Unfortunately where I live (northern Ontario), the people you see who are all like, Fuck Trudeau, are the ones with the massive Ford F250’s with lift kits and regular-sized tires in winter, who decided not to further their education after high-school. These are people who don’t listen to reason and believe the ramblings of people who are literally unhinged, because they want to believe someone/thing is responsible for their life choices and problems.
With the convoy that went to Ottawa (a whole other story), my husband would try to reason with these people in FB groups. He got banned a lot. Most of them would quote Joe Rogan and Russel Brand, who are hilariously not Canadian.
Feels like a lot of culture creep. Some of these wing nuts talk about the first amendment as if we have that here. Some of them also seem to think that our Prime Minister has presidential powers. I think the “fuck Trudeau” flags are a rip off of the “fuck Biden” flags too.
Yeah, when the convoy crew ended up in court, they kept talking about their ‘amendment rights’, and the judges had to ask what they were talking about. These people are so dense that black holes are jealous. It’s more proof that they’re being purposely misled and manipulated in order to sow anger, disharmony, and fight against ourselves instead of the real sources of our problems.
Nah. The YouTube and Facebook channels are probably more US-centric, which is where they get the “amendment” crap, but there are absolutely groups like this - anti-intellectual, often fairly “religious” - that have been around in Canada for a long time. More they’re just more organized and funded instead of being loose collection of weirdos that most people could happily ignore. Trumpism in the US may have emboldened village idiots around the world, but it didn’t really make them.
Trudeau has been around longer than Biden has been president, as have the bumper stickers. Those were here even before he became PM.
We tend to consume a lot of American media, whether it be music, movies, tv, etc.
With the advent of social media, that got cranked up to 11. So, we have the same impressionable people being targeted by US-style far right propaganda and you can already see its effects.
Someone like Erin O’Toole was exactly what the conservative party needed to bring more people from the center to the Torys, but as soon as he lost one election, they booted him to the curb in favour of Alt-Right Milhouse, who was cozying up to the Convoy protestors and being called “a Superstar for the Far Right” by none other than InfoWars owner and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
I just hope to god our apathy doesnt take over and allow that cretin and his cronies form government and keep carving up our country and environment to the detriment of everyone but the ultra-wealthy.
I was literally just going to make a joke about that.
I’m from the US, we have much better things to copy than our absolutely shit garbage politics… like BBQ ribs. Copy those, don’t copy our garbage propaganda lol
Don’t have any sources but it seems pretty likely that Canadian hate groups have similar sponsors to American ones so it’s a little like planting the same seeds in different soil, it’s not really a surprise when you get the same tomatoes.
Another astroturf event incoming. Will we see perfectly choreographed videos of 50 people with identical half-full gas cans “spontaneously” showing up in support this time too?
In a series of videos shared in private Facebook groups, Pedersen is seen standing among bushes across the street from the Alberta Teachers’ Association head office in Edmonton. The videos are filmed at night time and Pedersen is illuminating her face with a flashlight.
“I’m in a very special place,” Pedersen tells viewers in one video. “I am standing in front of the Alberta Teachers’ Association. Why am I standing here?"
How many is these convoy dudes are the former “cool kids” who have since grown a beer gut and are yearning for the popularity/attention of their high school glory days?
Property damage is peak direct action. No matter how terrible these people are, many of them have innocent family members who would be affected if they were physically harmed.
A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record.
“The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena. And, whereas a law is a postulate that forms the foundation of the scientific method, a theory is the end result of that same process.”
I’d say it’s neither. Gravity is the observable phenomenon - something makes things fall. Newton’s gravitation law and general relativity tried to explain what gravity is, but the phenomenon exists independently of the laws or theories around it.
Get a loudspeaker and blast some educational YouTube at their ignorant asses. Probably will just piss them off, but it might actually enlighten a few of them. Win-win.
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I don’t want those fuckers anywhere near my kids. Not only are they fucking nuts, but this is the kind of shit that always winds up with a bunch of pedos “protecting the children”
Those people are what mental illness look like.
That’s why I’m not going anywhere near that building but urge parents to show up to actually defend their kids, from the conservative lunatics. I’m strange, immature and overprotective of kids, but I recognize that this isn’t my fight, and I’m not a creep.
I know I’m just one person, but since 2017 I’ve come to the terrifying conclusion that some people will look for any excuse they can to discredit people who disagree with the group consensus (in this case, disagreeing with all the multiple consensus clusters of the various political extremes and of short-sighted “extreme centrism”) and that on the surface and combined with my digital footprint of being “confrontational” (long story, but a quack psychiatrist ruined my life), a person who would want to sabotage my life could easily paint me as some sicko instead of someone with Autism who genuinely wishes the best for kids because I had my childhood disrupted by people who tore me away from my family at age 10.
Literally every one of these concern trolling groups hides an actual predator or ten. The rest are all apologists or guilty of other forms of emotional abuse and neglect.
I mean id probably be good if we waited until hs or college to teach gender identity. Middle school or prior is too early, too confusing for kids who have the misfortune (like me) of maturing very early thanks to GMO foods. Sure teach everyone to not impregnate eachother, but stop at biologics with children.
After reading this comment section I will say that the term far-right is misused so much (thanks headline writer). I am someone who, for example, thinks abortion should be legal, yet that we shouldn’t be teaching kids that if their emotions are strong enough that they should commit to cross dressing and surgeries. Not to say the trans community is entirely con artists, only that they should wait until people are closer to adulthood and therefore more mature before they make permanent decisions.
As it sits the trans movements’ momentum relies heavily on indoctrination of kids, and its sad and alarming that these ideas are not as persuasive to older people. We should not stand behind ideologies that make less sense as we mature, especially in publicly funded school systems. We should teach the oldest ideas to the youngest people, not the other way around.
At college though, we should certainly teach the newest ideas to the now older people. Including trans theory
From my kids schooling, sex ed in early grades focuses on consent (“Don’t touch people if they say no”), acceptance of differences (“Don’t make fun of someone cuz they look/act different”), and acceptance of self (“try to understand your own feelings”).
I haven’t seen anything about pushing an agenda beyond personal autonomy. Can you tell me where you heard about this kind of agenda?
Wanna bet it was Fox News? They’re not “far-right” though. 🙄
If I’d have gotten that might not have been assaulted
Sure, and the “don’t touch me there, thats my no no square” programming I think is good, and productive.
The issue I have is the ‘later’ grades education. For me (class of 2020) the latest education I received regarding sexual education was in fifth grade, where we were taught absolutely everything. All of the intercourses, all of the anatomy.
There was no follow up, there was no peer to peer discussion, only adults telling us what the world was.
My argument is not that we shouldn’t teach people all about sex and even sexual identities, only that we should teach them later in life, when people feel more confident in standing up to authority, and thinking for themselves.
If a person is gay, lesbian, or trans, they will know, so why do they need to be educated by someone who likely knows less than them? (Aka adult teacher).
Acceptance is a slightly different issue, just as we learn to not point at people with disabilities, all people should learn to not point at someone who cross dresses, and furthermore should try to befriend them, just as in the case of a disabled person
I like how you’re arbitrarily setting the line to which we all should believe and follow actual experts and where we should ignore them.
Are there other areas where you know more than professionals with accreditation and decades of experience and are thus best to determine where the line is better than they can?
I’m not sure that is the case. Two of my cohort didn’t come out until they were much, much older. One came out as gay in his thirties, the other transitioned in her forties. Both experimented with cis relationships. Both found what they were looking for elsewhere. It took decades to figure that out.
I think it takes some people a while to figure things out. Especially if it means doing something outside their experience.
I would think that letting kids know about other sexualities early would help them understand why they aren’t interested in what their peers are up to.
I’m closer to the class of 2000 - I’m surprised that the last round of sex ed you received was only grade 5. I’m pretty sure we got a rundown on straight sex (focusing on STDs/pregnancy/condoms) and a warning about gay sex (AIDS! srsly) in grade five or six, and then a reminder in grade 8 or 9.
What kind of follow-up would have made sense?
What kind of standing up are you referring to? When I hear “standing up”, I think of people protecting something. Is that what you mean?
We must’ve have no tolerance for intolerance. Trans rights are human rights.
Children must know it’s normal to have different gender expression, both for themselves and for others. Kids are literally dying because of hate, bigotry, and bullying.
Stop perpetuating ignorance and hate.
Stop fear mongering over GMO foods. This is completely untrue and GMO foods have been found safe repeatedly.
If you’re gonna spout nonsense at least provide a source.
Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t think fear is a productive response. Bottom line concentrated chemicals can be dangerous. I don’t think that is in any way controversial.
Here’s that:
https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/endocrine/index.cfm “Atrazine is one of the most commonly applied herbicides in the world, often used to control weeds in corn, sorghum, and sugarcane crops.”
Do you eat corn, corn syrup, or sugar? Corn chips?
And evidence that endocrine disruptors affects age of puberty:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.1104748#r17 “We estimated an inverse association between urinary 2,5-DCP concentration and age of menarche in girls 12–16 years of age who participated in the NHANES study during 2003–2008. To our knowledge, ours is the first population-based study to report an association between exposure to the putative environmental EDC dichlorobenzene and age of menarche, an outcome that may reflect endocrine-disrupting effects. “
Fear can be good, it stops us doing things that are unnecessarily risky. I apparently hold the controversial opinion that we should treat our bodies better.
:)
Wow. You love propaganda huh?
Another user insisted I cite a source, like an English teacher. Uck.
Can you cite some of this propaganda that I love?
Do you like Russian, Chinese, or American propaganda most?
Children are bombarded by gender norms long before they stop using diapers… so you can’t really mean ‘gender identity’ here. Presumably you mean “nobody should learn about transgender identities until high school or maybe college”.
I assume, much like the many people who realize they are gay or lesbian earlier in adolescence, that many transgendered individuals also realize or suspect their gender status early in adolescence as well. It’s rather cruel to hide away information like this at the time when it is especially relevant… just as it would be cruel to not teach about periods until many girls have already started them (another bright inspiration brought to us by social conservatives). Rather than being isolated in the dark, children should be supported as they grow into their own individuals.
Motherfuckers wield the word “indoctrination” like a bludgeon, hoping that nobody notices they’ve been beating down everyone in the world with their own indoctrination since time immemorial.
Right? Like wtf is Sunday school?
I think your argument here is essentially, more sooner, more better. This on its face makes sense, as there are people (not you nor I) who are gay, lesbian, or trans from birth and those people ought to be taught how the world has essentially mistreated them.
I don’t think though that that is support. I mean, if you scrape your knee, and someone gives you a lecture on how pavement is harder than flesh and that because of that you were injured then they are not supporting you.
If a person is trans, what they need is no different from what any other person needs. They need to know they are loved. They need to know that they are accepted.
Why is it automatically the default that gay, lesbian, and trans people are automatically “isolated in the dark” if they are not taught about social structures at the ripe age of 10 years old?
Not only is it unlikely that a child would affect our society (so therefore why teach it), but it is even more unlikely that they are mature enough to understand the complexity of what our society is.
We should be teaching kids how to love each other, they shouldn’t need a reason.
The hiding is done to intentionally harm LBGT kids
If you think sex ed should be delayed until it’s literally TOO FUCKING LATE, then you are actually far right and just don’t admit it. I don’t give a shit what your other beliefs are. “High school or college”? You’re trolling, right?
Do you have any idea how many kids literally kill themselves because nobody ever told them it was actually okay (as in, incredibly common, and not a mental illness or abomination) to feel like that? And those that actually make it through into their twenties and beyond suffer lifelong serious emotional damage just from the ostracization, even IF they decide to conform (some would say especially if).
Your idiotic archaic notions of denying them the power to know and choose for themselves is the real indoctrination, and that shit actually KILLS kids.
I’m certainly conservative, I have denied nothing. I’m not an extremist, but that doesn’t fit into your worldview, therefore not true.
You are a far left bigoted idiot, and I cannot believe that you’re opinion is even real. Chances are that you genuinely are a russian bot here to muck up the conversation.
And as for your stupid point, fact is that more people kill themselves after transitioning, not before. Why is complex, some is external, some is internal, but numbers don’t lie.
Here is your response and my evidence, another has written it:
https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm
They do not use numbers, only emotions, if they used numbers, they would have no argument.
From the post: “There you have it. To be clear:
No, the study does not show that medical transition results in suicide or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic. No, the study does not prove that trans women are rapists or likely to be rapists. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a euphemism for rape. No, the study does not prove that trans women exhibit male socialization. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a claim that trans women were convicted of the same types of crime as cis men.”
You will say I can’t read, wrong, I just don’t believe what people say, I believe what they can prove. The numbers say that post transition suicide rates go up, the person who wrote it says the opposite, likely entirely motivated by fear of people like you spreading hate and disinformation.
Fuck off, dipshit.
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@wedleeneeber @grte lol, get stuffed.
Also, GMO foods have nothing to do with the onset of puberty. That’s not how any of this works.
That was my favorite part of their bigoted and idiotic post. They probably fancy themselves as highly intelligent too lol
And if puberty were to set in earlier wouldn’t they need to k.ow sooner rather than later?
Puberty and maturity are not the same thing. Unfortunately, yes, we have to educate people on sexual matters when their body is ahead of their brain. That I think is a problem, with a complex solution. Simply taking the same curriculum that was once meant for 7th graders and teaching it to 5th graders is what has happened in the real world, and I think it was a bad response.
Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t think fear is a productive response. Bottom line concentrated chemicals can be dangerous. I don’t think that is in any way controversial.
Here’s that:
https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/endocrine/index.cfm “Atrazine is one of the most commonly applied herbicides in the world, often used to control weeds in corn, sorghum, and sugarcane crops.”
Do you eat corn, corn syrup, or sugar? Corn chips?
And evidence that endocrine disruptors affects age of puberty:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/full/10.1289/ehp.1104748#r17 “We estimated an inverse association between urinary 2,5-DCP concentration and age of menarche in girls 12–16 years of age who participated in the NHANES study during 2003–2008. To our knowledge, ours is the first population-based study to report an association between exposure to the putative environmental EDC dichlorobenzene and age of menarche, an outcome that may reflect endocrine-disrupting effects. “
Fear can be good, it stops us doing things that are unnecessarily risky. I apparently hold the controversial opinion that we should treat our bodies better.
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@wedleeneeber I think you just really need to understand what GMO is and isn’t. Based on what you posted, you don’t have this knowledge.
All of our food is or is made from a GMO
Pesticides may have effects on the timing of puberty. But genetic modification is something completely different. GM crops have their own risks (contamination of wild populations, seed monopolies etc.) but as far as I know they do not affect human health.
You did not read what I posted
Not fully, but I browsed through both, and I (mostly) agree with what they are saying. But they are talking about pesticides, not GM organisms. Again, I’m not claiming that there are no issues with GMOs. But pesticides and GMOs are completely different! You cannot show that pesticides cause X and then claim that therefore GMOs cause X.
Pesticides ≠ GMOs.
In fact, even organic foods can have pesticides. They can just use organic pesticides.
GMOs have no more “chemicals” than any other food. In fact, they often have less “chemicals”, since they can often reduce pesticide use on pest-resistant GMO crops.
Most of the modifications in Genetically Modified Organisms are modifications that allow the plant to resist pesticides, no? True this would not be necessary for organic pesticides, but then also we could have food that is not derived from a GMO…
I’m not an expert, but off the top of my head, there are GMOs for drought resistance, creating natural pesticides on leaves (of potatoes), increased vitamin A (for rice to prevent childhood blindness), higher yields, seed-free varieties of fruits, and many others.
Wrong discussion? This one goes off the rails a bit.
I agree that we shouldn’t be teaching gender identity until high school or college! Time to ban Barbie Dolls and Action Figures! Since those teach gender identity. We also shouldn’t teach children that their female teaches are Ms. or Mrs. and their male teachers Mr. That’s gender identity too!
This person is an exaple of using logic sounding words to spread hatred.
Flowery words doesn’t change the fact you think trans people are grooming and indoctrinating. Please, shut the fuck up.
I have a question for my Canadian sisters, brothers, and others.
How much of this shit is actually organic to Canadian culture, and how much creeps in because the assholes there see what the assholes in the US are exploiting and decide to give it a try there?
Australian here. We got the same shit going down here and it’s very much not organic to our culture. We’re having a referendum this year for our first nations people to be recognised in our constitution. I shit you not the campaign against this is being funded directly by the same bad actors behind the culture wars bullshit in the US.
I don’t like where any of this is going. It was very very bad last time.
Garbage fire burns up.
Sorry about Gavin Innes though, sometimes shit falls down
(Anglo) Canada is culture creep: the nation. We never left Britain, but we sound like Americans when we talk. You know why? Every time something bad happens down there a giant wave of immigrants comes up here. Draft dodgers were only the latest wave.
So yeah, they’re very clearly ripping off the GOP. You can also tell because they didn’t even really change the artwork. The question is what will we do about them? I’m afraid we’re going to go the modern German way and let hate movements fester until they’re too big to effectively deal with.
Honestly, that’s distinction without difference.
There are people living here who believe this shit - it doesn’t really matter where they got it.
That’s a great question. I think there’s been a lot of influence from the U.S., but the potential for this inane behaviour was always there.
Unfortunately where I live (northern Ontario), the people you see who are all like, Fuck Trudeau, are the ones with the massive Ford F250’s with lift kits and regular-sized tires in winter, who decided not to further their education after high-school. These are people who don’t listen to reason and believe the ramblings of people who are literally unhinged, because they want to believe someone/thing is responsible for their life choices and problems.
With the convoy that went to Ottawa (a whole other story), my husband would try to reason with these people in FB groups. He got banned a lot. Most of them would quote Joe Rogan and Russel Brand, who are hilariously not Canadian.
Feels like a lot of culture creep. Some of these wing nuts talk about the first amendment as if we have that here. Some of them also seem to think that our Prime Minister has presidential powers. I think the “fuck Trudeau” flags are a rip off of the “fuck Biden” flags too.
Yeah, when the convoy crew ended up in court, they kept talking about their ‘amendment rights’, and the judges had to ask what they were talking about. These people are so dense that black holes are jealous. It’s more proof that they’re being purposely misled and manipulated in order to sow anger, disharmony, and fight against ourselves instead of the real sources of our problems.
They’re just really concerned about the formation of Manitoba from the Northwest Territories.
Nah. The YouTube and Facebook channels are probably more US-centric, which is where they get the “amendment” crap, but there are absolutely groups like this - anti-intellectual, often fairly “religious” - that have been around in Canada for a long time. More they’re just more organized and funded instead of being loose collection of weirdos that most people could happily ignore. Trumpism in the US may have emboldened village idiots around the world, but it didn’t really make them.
Trudeau has been around longer than Biden has been president, as have the bumper stickers. Those were here even before he became PM.
We tend to consume a lot of American media, whether it be music, movies, tv, etc.
With the advent of social media, that got cranked up to 11. So, we have the same impressionable people being targeted by US-style far right propaganda and you can already see its effects.
Someone like Erin O’Toole was exactly what the conservative party needed to bring more people from the center to the Torys, but as soon as he lost one election, they booted him to the curb in favour of Alt-Right Milhouse, who was cozying up to the Convoy protestors and being called “a Superstar for the Far Right” by none other than InfoWars owner and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
I just hope to god our apathy doesnt take over and allow that cretin and his cronies form government and keep carving up our country and environment to the detriment of everyone but the ultra-wealthy.
I was literally just going to make a joke about that.
I’m from the US, we have much better things to copy than our absolutely shit garbage politics… like BBQ ribs. Copy those, don’t copy our garbage propaganda lol
Don’t have any sources but it seems pretty likely that Canadian hate groups have similar sponsors to American ones so it’s a little like planting the same seeds in different soil, it’s not really a surprise when you get the same tomatoes.
Canada has just as many hills for billies to hide under.
Fucking nutters.
Gotta keep up with our big brother America, can’t let them out-stupid us
Another astroturf event incoming. Will we see perfectly choreographed videos of 50 people with identical half-full gas cans “spontaneously” showing up in support this time too?
What a trash human being. This bitch clearly has some brain worms.
Because you’re a goddamn lunatic?
People who want to feel like they’re special by spreading shit online when they’re more of the back-of-the-bus variety special…
I think you mean short bus. Or the front. The back was where the cool kids sat.
How many is these convoy dudes are the former “cool kids” who have since grown a beer gut and are yearning for the popularity/attention of their high school glory days?
Yay ignorance!
Man, PWEI really nailed it in the 90s with Ich Bien Ein Auslander’s lyrics.
As a trans woman, that song has been coming to mind an awful lot these last few years.
Another convoy?
Guys, time to lay out some spikes, run up and slash tires/bust windows just fuck they shit up. Direct action. Fat ass truckers can’t catch you.
Or go harder than that.
Property damage is peak direct action. No matter how terrible these people are, many of them have innocent family members who would be affected if they were physically harmed.
The extreme right hates sex education because it makes children far more difficult to sexually abuse.
Pedocon theory is a theory like the theory of gravity is a theory.
Well gravity isn’t a theory at all, it’s a law.
Perhaps you’re getting gravity confused with evolution?
A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts. The theory of gravitation, for instance, explains why apples fall from trees and astronauts float in space. Similarly, the theory of evolution explains why so many plants and animals—some very similar and some very different—exist on Earth now and in the past, as revealed by the fossil record.
Newton’s Law of universal Gravitation
Scientific Laws
The Theory of Gravity is the well-substantiated explanation of gravity that incorporates laws, hypotheses, and facts.
I hope this helps.
Please post a link from a reputable source explicitly citing gravity as a theory as opposed to a law.
The link I posted quite clearly states that universal gravitation is a scientific law.
Hope this helps.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
Look under history. The heading for a section is Newton’s theory of gravitation.
“The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena. And, whereas a law is a postulate that forms the foundation of the scientific method, a theory is the end result of that same process.”
Here’s a simple, easy to understand explanation of the difference between a law and a theory in science.
And here is an explanation of the difference between a theory in common use and in scientific use.
I hope these help.
I’d say it’s neither. Gravity is the observable phenomenon - something makes things fall. Newton’s gravitation law and general relativity tried to explain what gravity is, but the phenomenon exists independently of the laws or theories around it.
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A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts.
Someone needs to bring signs that say GROOMERS AGAINST EDUCATION
Followed shortly afterwards by a fervent speech against clean drinking water.
You will know them by their inbreeding.
Sex ed ain’t for them kissin’ cousin Coutts folk.
(Edit: at least 2 folk are their own aunt/uncle)
Oh man, now we need to get signs that say “Kissin’ Cousins Convoy!”.
My sister-mother is my lover.
Ok, plan a sex education convey.
They’re literally telling you where they will all be. Time to break out a projector and hold a sex education class.
Come on. Are we new
Please do this. These people might even learn a thing or two!
You do not understand who you are dealing with
Get a loudspeaker and blast some educational YouTube at their ignorant asses. Probably will just piss them off, but it might actually enlighten a few of them. Win-win.
Blast some support information for abused spouses.
I’m not saying it’ll be more valuable in a “shut up and do what I say because I said so” crowd, but I’m also not not saying it.
You do not understand who you are dealing with
I try not to be universally pessimistic about ALL of them. Surely one in ten is just misguided.
No. They’re ALL misguided, and they’re very very very very convinced. You do not understand who you are dealing with.
Yeah you said that, already, both times without any way of knowing what I understand or don’t.
“Condoms aren’t 100% effective but are a better choice than unwanted pregnancy or disease.”
Play a bunch of documentaries at them. They’ll either go home or have a come to Jesus moment and realize how awful they’ve been.
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