I stg it’s always a kbin mf saying some of the dumbest stuff. Like everyone says dumb things on here sometimes, but I can almost bet on it being a kbin user 45% of the time.
I’ve held my tongue about it for 3 weeks because I thought I was just overreacting and being an ass. It’s nice to know someone else is seeing the pattern too.
This is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but kbin generally requires its users to be either unaware it is written in PHP or OK with using something written in PHP. That has to exert some selective pressure.
I’ve been called a “tankie” here seemingly at random. It’s funny because as a liberal American I have zero idea of what that even is. But yeah sure whatever the randos online say. 🙄
Is Lemmy just one instance? Or is your gotcha that if you add all of the lemmy instances together this one kbin.social instance just BARELY doesn’t account for over half of the problems people notice. Because that’s not quite the win you were going for.
When I was in kbin and could see who voted because voting metadata is visible there, almost always left wing comments (e.g. supportive of trans rights) received downvotes from someone on lemmy.world while the upvotes were from multiple, varied instances. So I’m not sure kbin is the biggest problem unless things have changed since then
There are two problems: federation works best with a variety of instances of like-minded people, and people on open-registration generalistic instances abusing that to wreak havoc on other instances.
Same as Instances can fully de-federate from other instances, they should also be able to de-federate voting from “non-friendly” instances.
It was a great place to share information in a short and clear manner. You could subscribe to journalists working in your area, a professor from MIT or another university, follow sport journalists, war analysts - you name it. They all posted their thoughts and links to their articles, interviews or podcasts with them, they shared information about their new books. Twitter was like an RSS feed, where you could subscribe to authors directly. You could write them and get a reply! It was and probably still is a great tool, though Musk is taking a lot of steps to destroy it.
To be fair, the only thing I ever used it for was emergency reporting.
If he scales it back so that the only free and public feature is tweets of 250 characters or less, I may actually visit it again. Assuming my ad blocker works.
It was like this on the Flamingo app aswell and I prefered it that way. I almost never interact with any tweets so those buttons were just useless clutter for me.
But how would they threaten him? What’s leverage could they have against someone on the other side of the world who has the means to protect himself by paying security etc.
By doing exactly what happened: he made legal claims that he would buy, then tried to back out. He could not legally do so and the house of saud sued to make sure he went through on his intentions. Which forced Musk to do so. It was quite a legal kerfuffle
Seriously, everyone here, if you know somebody still using Twitter, you should take the time to inform them about mastodon and explain why continuing to use that dying abusive platform and give Musk legitimacy is a bad idea.
You’re not going to argue them out of Twitter. If they’re still there, it’s not for rational reasons. It’s because of nostalgia, or because they’re part of communities that are stuck facing the Fiddler on the Roof problem.
Shaming them for staying isn’t going to work, either. We need to make a space for them to move to, not away from, and, frankly, the Fediverse just isn’t that right now.
The moment you get actual content creators to move off twitter and provide their content on mastodon, I’m deleting it too. Until then I don’t really see mastodon being a proper replacement, if anything it looks like bsky is taking the lead in that area unfortunately. Besides, half of mastodon community is seemingly against the idea of becoming mainstream anyway… so I dunno if it’s ever going to work out that way.
As somebody who produces content (with a full time job so not as often as I like) it’s so much harder to get engagement on mastodon without the algorithm tbh. I’m trying to get my name out there but engagement is slim to none compared to say, Instagram. I’m not on Twitter but both BlueSky and Mastodon have been a struggle. I don’t see myself devoting too much energy into them as far as posting content goes tbh.
I’m fully aware of that thanks, I was responding to:
The moment you get actual content creators to move off twitter and provide their content on mastodon, I’m deleting it too.
And saying from the perspective of a content creator, that’s an issue that’s hard to overlook. So mastodon won’t get to that point of having all the content creators if there isn’t something to help them share their content. I don’t know what the solution would be, maybe a separate feed with an algorithm that people can switch to if they want.
Edit: and the antisocial comments below is why mastodon will never take off with the larger population and therefore never really compete with Twitter, Threads, or BlueSky for content.
My point was that creators should want to disconnect from these artificial engagement driven systems that make people care about their “brand” and all that corpo bullshit.
I don’t think mastodon has to do anything to draw creators to it, it is what it is and many people like it that way. I don’t like the fake, engagement driven, clout goblin mentality that infests instagram and if mastodon started doing things to cultivate that vibe I would consider it a bug not a feature.
You’re bunding all of it together. I don’t want EA to run their marketing campaign or mastodon (although why not - it’d add legitimacy to the platform and I can easily block/not follow them), but I do want smaller youtubers posting there, I want artists to share news or boost other artists. I want developers to post announcements about what they are working on or when an update drops for their game. I want developers to have their personal accounts there and share stories about the development too.
All of this i get on twitter. I haven’t gotten any of it on mastodon because none of these people have moved off twitter, and never will because mastodon doesn’t want to give them a platform on which they can reach the same audience.
Right. I guess I just loathe the relentless commodification of our social interactions and one of the things I like about mastodon isthath the “always be promoting your personal brand” thing is notably absent.
It reminds me of early social media, before people became brainrotted chasing the influencer lifestyle.
I guess I just don’t think you can have an algorithm for that kind of thing because then the connections aren’t real.
Almost a year since I started Cupoftea.social on Mastodon and left twitter and things have been going well and sign up waves every time Musk does something
I do appreciate how he and Spez seem to do things that annoy only a fraction of their users at a time; it allows the Fediverse to adapt to the incoming waves of users before the next wave hits.
Can we simply stop talking about Twitter? At this time, we’re just drawing traffic to articles about it, encouraging more free advertising for Twitter to be made
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Who used them?
I stg it’s always a kbin mf saying some of the dumbest stuff. Like everyone says dumb things on here sometimes, but I can almost bet on it being a kbin user 45% of the time.
Hey don’t lump me in with idiots like this guy
You know what? You’re right. I’ve noticed this recently too but didn’t put two and two together
I’ve held my tongue about it for 3 weeks because I thought I was just overreacting and being an ass. It’s nice to know someone else is seeing the pattern too.
I find myself to be an ass quite often so take my approval with a grain of salt. 🤣
I’ll admit that about myself as well, lmao.
This is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but kbin generally requires its users to be either unaware it is written in PHP or OK with using something written in PHP. That has to exert some selective pressure.
Says the person on a website programmed by tankies
And here comes the kbin ad hominem strawman. Didn’t take long.
I’ve been called a “tankie” here seemingly at random. It’s funny because as a liberal American I have zero idea of what that even is. But yeah sure whatever the randos online say. 🙄
Maybe read the comment I responded to again
I’ve been saying this for months. Kbin folks are just a type it seems
no u
So the other 55% of the time it’s a Lemmy user? I.e. the majority of the time!? There is so much irony in your post.
Is Lemmy just one instance? Or is your gotcha that if you add all of the lemmy instances together this one kbin.social instance just BARELY doesn’t account for over half of the problems people notice. Because that’s not quite the win you were going for.
Lmfao, you rule
When I was in kbin and could see who voted because voting metadata is visible there, almost always left wing comments (e.g. supportive of trans rights) received downvotes from someone on lemmy.world while the upvotes were from multiple, varied instances. So I’m not sure kbin is the biggest problem unless things have changed since then
There are two problems: federation works best with a variety of instances of like-minded people, and people on open-registration generalistic instances abusing that to wreak havoc on other instances.
Same as Instances can fully de-federate from other instances, they should also be able to de-federate voting from “non-friendly” instances.
Can confirm Im an idiot and use kbin…
Wtf kind of comment is this supposed to be?
Every single person who actively used Twitter?
I think “Who is still using them?” is a better question.
Pretty soon, no one, quite literally
Next up on the chopping block: Posting and reading tweets.
I never understood the appeal of twitter before Elon bought it, and I understand it less with every news report about it since.
It was a great place to share information in a short and clear manner. You could subscribe to journalists working in your area, a professor from MIT or another university, follow sport journalists, war analysts - you name it. They all posted their thoughts and links to their articles, interviews or podcasts with them, they shared information about their new books. Twitter was like an RSS feed, where you could subscribe to authors directly. You could write them and get a reply! It was and probably still is a great tool, though Musk is taking a lot of steps to destroy it.
Yup; Twitter was at its best when it was just a free RSS aggregator with summaries and a lot more publishers.
To be fair, the only thing I ever used it for was emergency reporting.
If he scales it back so that the only free and public feature is tweets of 250 characters or less, I may actually visit it again. Assuming my ad blocker works.
It was like this on the Flamingo app aswell and I prefered it that way. I almost never interact with any tweets so those buttons were just useless clutter for me.
How to make 44B$ disappear: For aspiring billionaire magicians with no control over their tongue or egos.
He can always not pay the bank who actually paid for Twitter. It is already worth less than his debt.
I’m just waiting for
“After moving all features behind a paywall, Musk hides the Login button.”
At this point, he’s obviously just trolling.
He shouldjusyt shut it down at this point
I thought this was The Onion at first.
But Musk is doing a great job of achieving his goal of killing Twitter. I wonder who paid or blackmailed him enough for it to be worth the 44 billion?
The House of Saud.
How exactly?
They were one of the largest investors in Twitter before the purchase. Musk said he would buy it, then tried to back out, and his hand was forced
But how would they threaten him? What’s leverage could they have against someone on the other side of the world who has the means to protect himself by paying security etc.
By doing exactly what happened: he made legal claims that he would buy, then tried to back out. He could not legally do so and the house of saud sued to make sure he went through on his intentions. Which forced Musk to do so. It was quite a legal kerfuffle
Seriously, everyone here, if you know somebody still using Twitter, you should take the time to inform them about mastodon and explain why continuing to use that dying abusive platform and give Musk legitimacy is a bad idea.
You’re not going to argue them out of Twitter. If they’re still there, it’s not for rational reasons. It’s because of nostalgia, or because they’re part of communities that are stuck facing the Fiddler on the Roof problem.
Shaming them for staying isn’t going to work, either. We need to make a space for them to move to, not away from, and, frankly, the Fediverse just isn’t that right now.
The moment you get actual content creators to move off twitter and provide their content on mastodon, I’m deleting it too. Until then I don’t really see mastodon being a proper replacement, if anything it looks like bsky is taking the lead in that area unfortunately. Besides, half of mastodon community is seemingly against the idea of becoming mainstream anyway… so I dunno if it’s ever going to work out that way.
As somebody who produces content (with a full time job so not as often as I like) it’s so much harder to get engagement on mastodon without the algorithm tbh. I’m trying to get my name out there but engagement is slim to none compared to say, Instagram. I’m not on Twitter but both BlueSky and Mastodon have been a struggle. I don’t see myself devoting too much energy into them as far as posting content goes tbh.
I’m sorry but that’s because you are treating Mastodon like an advertising platform, not a social network.
This is because Instagram is an ad platform with social features.
I’m fully aware of that thanks, I was responding to:
And saying from the perspective of a content creator, that’s an issue that’s hard to overlook. So mastodon won’t get to that point of having all the content creators if there isn’t something to help them share their content. I don’t know what the solution would be, maybe a separate feed with an algorithm that people can switch to if they want.
Edit: and the antisocial comments below is why mastodon will never take off with the larger population and therefore never really compete with Twitter, Threads, or BlueSky for content.
My point was that creators should want to disconnect from these artificial engagement driven systems that make people care about their “brand” and all that corpo bullshit.
I don’t think mastodon has to do anything to draw creators to it, it is what it is and many people like it that way. I don’t like the fake, engagement driven, clout goblin mentality that infests instagram and if mastodon started doing things to cultivate that vibe I would consider it a bug not a feature.
You’re bunding all of it together. I don’t want EA to run their marketing campaign or mastodon (although why not - it’d add legitimacy to the platform and I can easily block/not follow them), but I do want smaller youtubers posting there, I want artists to share news or boost other artists. I want developers to post announcements about what they are working on or when an update drops for their game. I want developers to have their personal accounts there and share stories about the development too.
All of this i get on twitter. I haven’t gotten any of it on mastodon because none of these people have moved off twitter, and never will because mastodon doesn’t want to give them a platform on which they can reach the same audience.
Right. I guess I just loathe the relentless commodification of our social interactions and one of the things I like about mastodon isthath the “always be promoting your personal brand” thing is notably absent. It reminds me of early social media, before people became brainrotted chasing the influencer lifestyle. I guess I just don’t think you can have an algorithm for that kind of thing because then the connections aren’t real.
Twitter has always been garbage but now it’s way worse than ever before
Here’s an empty bucket to yell into so you can hear your own voice. That’ll be $12/month. Thanks.
Elon Musk takes the socialization out of social networks! What an innovation!
For his next trick, he’ll be removing the works….
making the experience worse to force people to click on tweets and drive up impressions inflating user counts
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Almost a year since I started Cupoftea.social on Mastodon and left twitter and things have been going well and sign up waves every time Musk does something
I do appreciate how he and Spez seem to do things that annoy only a fraction of their users at a time; it allows the Fediverse to adapt to the incoming waves of users before the next wave hits.
This new arrangement of deck chairs will make the Titanic’s voyage perfect.
Can we simply stop talking about Twitter? At this time, we’re just drawing traffic to articles about it, encouraging more free advertising for Twitter to be made
Tbh i like this circling around the dying zebu part of media, especially when its about an oligarch slowly consuming himself!
Dying zebu?
Yeah. Like trump, I enjoy it, but it’s like alcohol, I know it’s not a good thing lol