When monopolies exist. How everyone didn’t care for the last 25 years is even wilder. Adobe has been controlling the design communities forever *flips water bottle
Linux has been having issues for a few years now. They’ve been going an obfuscation route with GNOME3 and systemd. Red hat basically decided to contractually kick people out for doing the traditional CentOS thing ever since they decided to change what the official CentOS does.
The worst thing is, Debian also started using systemd.
While its possible to find or build a distro without systemd, most of the big names that you would introduce people to use it:
Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, OpenSUSE
Hell, Arch uses it
I do get your point about GNOME, and I don’t use a DE anymore so I might be outdated, but Gnome and KDE were the big two back when I used it.
I say obfuscates because gnome configuration is now largely binary, whereas gnome2 used to be text files. The same goes for systemd- the logs are now binary files with journalctl instead of text files
Oh no, not binary files that are well-documented and you can know exactly what they’re doing!
Also, the journalctl files are just text with useful markers embedded in them to be easier to filter and search. Run strings on the journal files and see they’re just text with metadata in them.
You… do realize that’s what Free software is about, right? Gnome, systemd, etc, ARE Free software. They’re created by tons of people and tons of other people look over the code so you don’t have to. The number of people who cannot understand this boggles my mind. Sure, errors and rare malicious things slip through, but not nearly at the rate of the average garbageware you run on other OSes.
I think you are either trolling or you fundamentally don’t understand, what you’re talking about.
Nothing is obfuscated. You can download each and every code file, audit it, and build the binaries from exactly that code. You can even compare the binaries to the ones provided by major distros thanks to reproducible builds.
Just because you don’t understand code, doesn’t mean it’s obfuscated. Following that logic, even a loaf of bread is “obfuscated” because you don’t understand sour dough.
That’s not what I’m saying. Yes, it’s open source and you can build the binaries itself. I’m saying that the process is obfuscated or complicated because instead of text log files, you have to use journtalctl to view them.
Then again, someone said it may be text files with markers so I have to look into that
Are you really sure, you’re using “obfuscation” right? Because that implies that someone intentionally makes something harder to read to hide something. That’s not the case here. Nothing is hidden, it’s all there, the formats are well defined and easy to read.
Yeah, of course, it’s all there in binary. For programs of course that’s not a problem, but for data that you may need to look at any time, it is. It’s harder to interpret both for humans (significantly) and both for any program that want to make use of it (unless they use the specific library that came up with the format, and by that also pulling in all its libs transitively)
Binary data is not much less obfuscated than the system files of windows. It’s all there, you can read it
Huh? All I was saying was that someone who’s brand new to Linux is going to be up to their eyeballs in their new system to barely comprehend the very concept of an init system, especially on the more polished, user friendly distro that do a good job of keeping those mechanisms under the hood.
I see what people thought I was saying. Yes, it’s open source and doesn’t taint the kernel. I’m saying the way it works is obfuscated or complicated for the user. You shouldn’t have to run binaries to figure what the logs say. The logs should be in text.
As a selfhoster, the way systemd does logs is great, I love it.
Oh, and also if you want you can tell systemd to save the logs to files, it’s an option
I think patents are stupid and if you invent something good you should be able to sell it at whatever price you feel like, and if I copy what you did and sell it cheaper, that’s on you. Try to make it better and cheaper next time. Or find your premium market, or find your ‘the original creator’ market, or receive donations, or etc…
But make it illegal to copy? That’s just a pussy move.
True, Linux isn’t free because it uses electricity. It’s free because it’s licensed under the GNU General Public License which is designed to defend the freedom of its users.
Yarr, ye by digging yourself a Mass Grave if you be running them Next Gen programs of the P variety.
Honestly, though, how long is that going to work for you? Windows 10 runs out of service like next year, sooner for most versions. It’s just not sustainable.
I’m trying to figure out what to do with my lab workstation. If I want to mess with the settings of my Reolink cameras windows seems to be the only stable option sadly. I’ve tried their android software and it’s garbage. The web interface is very limited after enabling it in the settings via their software. Wine has not worked well for me. It’s an isolated lan so it’s not a huge deal but I really wish there was a Linux build. I love the hardware and don’t want to replace the physical cameras. Just so stupid they won’t support a Linux client.
Have you looked into configuring them directly from your NVR? Or third party options? I did a quick search and saw a list of several that as far as I can tell can display Reolink streams (though I haven’t confirmed any can configure the cameras):
I really appreciate your comment but yes, I use frigate on an HAOS system. It works incredible and I have six of their cameras running along with four others from a different brand. The other four I can manipulate completely via Firefox on HAOS. The Reolink cameras just have no other option than doing the initial setup and advanced configurations from windows. So I keep a lab pc connected to that environment just so if I want to tweek anything like fps, resolution, network settings (IP, gateway, etc) that I’m able to do so. The web interface once enabling the https service on the camera has garbage capabilities compared to my other cameras. It’s not a huge deal, I haven’t had to get into them for advanced settings in a few months but it really annoys me that I can’t do initial configuration and advanced settings from Linux.
Piracy is cool, but I prefer to use community-driven software rather than ones driven by corporate profits. I prefer a model where many can contribute to it, fork it, and for which making integrations is much easier thanks to its openness.
If you want actual libre alternatives - Manjaro GNOME Linux, Krita with the AI Image Generation plugin. I’m sure someone else can suggest one for the third one.
It is, yes. They do a ton of really small updates all the fucking time now, sometimes breaking critical shit, sometimes fixing things. (I don’t remember which version it was that ended support for PANTONE; now you have to pay for a subscription to PANTONE also, and the plug-in is trash and buggy as hell.) Since it wants to be always connected to the internet now, it’s more of a pain in the ass to pirate, although it’s likely still possible.
I have to use it for my job, so my company pays for it. But TBH, if you’re an industry professional, there’s really not any viable options on the market. Half the stuff clients send to me are in proprietary formats.
Would you describe it further? I don’t see how coming to a subscription-based model makes it not piracy. I feel like I miss something there.
I died a little inside by remembering that I was there when their lifetime CS licenses were sold and that licensing servers went offline at least a dozen of years ago… On the other hand, it raises a question if breaking CS versions is a piracy if they are abandoned. There’s no way to use them even if you are a paid customer wanting to install it on your new PC.
It used to be that you could install a legitimate Adobe and use then the only thing you would need is a key generator that would open the software. In essence, the entire software is located on your computer.
I was under the possibly mistaken impression that they took away the ability to register offline, and put the license server online. In other words, you’d have to patch the code or fake the license server to do accomplish the method of years prior
It’s still possible and last time I used it, it was about as easy as can be.
When I last did it, you just downloaded the regular program, installed it, then you ran a patcher and that was it. This was a couple years ago now, but Adobe already had their current business model.
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In other words not free.
Gratis versus libre
Krita has a better brush engine and the AI plugin is amazing. The live AI painting with layers is so cool. It’s like magic
When monopolies exist. How everyone didn’t care for the last 25 years is even wilder. Adobe has been controlling the design communities forever *flips water bottle
I have to disagree, Windows is never free, they sell all your data even when you buy it. Use Linux.
Except you can simply debloat and disable everything with a single script. Linuxbros are the biggest misinformation spreaders around windows.
Bro defending Windows like a toddler that got told his toy light saber is actually just a stick…
I can uninstall the kernel and the bootloader while you people cannot actually remove the fucking Edge browser…
Congrats.
Linux has been having issues for a few years now. They’ve been going an obfuscation route with GNOME3 and systemd. Red hat basically decided to contractually kick people out for doing the traditional CentOS thing ever since they decided to change what the official CentOS does.
The worst thing is, Debian also started using systemd.
No, systemd and GNOME are not part of mainline, and also GNOME and systemd arent obfuscated
While its possible to find or build a distro without systemd, most of the big names that you would introduce people to use it:
Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Fedora, OpenSUSE
Hell, Arch uses it
I do get your point about GNOME, and I don’t use a DE anymore so I might be outdated, but Gnome and KDE were the big two back when I used it.
I say obfuscates because gnome configuration is now largely binary, whereas gnome2 used to be text files. The same goes for systemd- the logs are now binary files with journalctl instead of text files
Oh no, not binary files that are well-documented and you can know exactly what they’re doing!
Also, the journalctl files are just text with useful markers embedded in them to be easier to filter and search. Run strings on the journal files and see they’re just text with metadata in them.
You must compile every single software package from source, but only after you’ve examined every single line of the code yourself!
1995 called, they said you’re doing it wrong, and RMS is going to be very mad at you.
You… do realize that’s what Free software is about, right? Gnome, systemd, etc, ARE Free software. They’re created by tons of people and tons of other people look over the code so you don’t have to. The number of people who cannot understand this boggles my mind. Sure, errors and rare malicious things slip through, but not nearly at the rate of the average garbageware you run on other OSes.
Stop spreading misinformation.
Not very keen on sarcasm, are we?
1995 calling would be telling you you need to roll your own kernel to be efficient on your 486
I didn’t know that the are text files with markers…
If that’s true, I may hate it less. I’ll have to try that
I think you are either trolling or you fundamentally don’t understand, what you’re talking about.
Nothing is obfuscated. You can download each and every code file, audit it, and build the binaries from exactly that code. You can even compare the binaries to the ones provided by major distros thanks to reproducible builds.
Just because you don’t understand code, doesn’t mean it’s obfuscated. Following that logic, even a loaf of bread is “obfuscated” because you don’t understand sour dough.
“…because you don’t understand sourdough”
Made me spit up my coffee.
That’s not what I’m saying. Yes, it’s open source and you can build the binaries itself. I’m saying that the process is obfuscated or complicated because instead of text log files, you have to use journtalctl to view them.
Then again, someone said it may be text files with markers so I have to look into that
Are you really sure, you’re using “obfuscation” right? Because that implies that someone intentionally makes something harder to read to hide something. That’s not the case here. Nothing is hidden, it’s all there, the formats are well defined and easy to read.
Yeah, of course, it’s all there in binary. For programs of course that’s not a problem, but for data that you may need to look at any time, it is. It’s harder to interpret both for humans (significantly) and both for any program that want to make use of it (unless they use the specific library that came up with the format, and by that also pulling in all its libs transitively)
Binary data is not much less obfuscated than the system files of windows. It’s all there, you can read it
I’m not sure I totally agree with him, what I’m sure is that I don’t agree with you, because you clearly haven’t read his comment.
What the fuck are you talking about, systemd isn’t doing anything wrong.
There are plenty of distributions without systemd — https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd
Yes, I am aware. But none of these distros are distros I would introduce to someone new to Linux.
If any of the people you introduce to linux would care about systemd
Ok, fine. You got me there
Or have any clue what systemd does out of the gate, especially on a more user-friendly distro having never used linux
That’s a bad point. What that logic introducing someone to windows is not bad because they don’t know about it’s data mining components anyway.
I’m not saying systemd does that. I’m saying that you basically said: “they wouldn’t know even if that was true, so it’s fine!”
Huh? All I was saying was that someone who’s brand new to Linux is going to be up to their eyeballs in their new system to barely comprehend the very concept of an init system, especially on the more polished, user friendly distro that do a good job of keeping those mechanisms under the hood.
me when i spread misinformation on the internet
systemd doesn’t obfuscate shit. It’s Free software and you know exactly what it’s doing. Stop spreading misinformation.
I see what people thought I was saying. Yes, it’s open source and doesn’t taint the kernel. I’m saying the way it works is obfuscated or complicated for the user. You shouldn’t have to run binaries to figure what the logs say. The logs should be in text.
As a selfhoster, the way systemd does logs is great, I love it. Oh, and also if you want you can tell systemd to save the logs to files, it’s an option
Please advise on the second portion.
I e never done this but it should work. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/321709/redirect-systemd-service-logs-to-file
See this
Linux isn’t free because it uses your electricity
Those sneaky bastards.
Technically… it’s the hardware on your PC using all the electricity.
Yeah but it’s the software that told it to do it.
Not initially, it’s an on off switch… technically.
At some point it was a twinkle in Charles Babbage’s eyes 👀:-D.
Well… Unless you hook it up to your neighbors outlet…
That doesn’t make it free. Somebody else is paying.
Uhmm its free for you… This is a piracy sub. Someone is always paying for something.
I love piracy.
I think patents are stupid and if you invent something good you should be able to sell it at whatever price you feel like, and if I copy what you did and sell it cheaper, that’s on you. Try to make it better and cheaper next time. Or find your premium market, or find your ‘the original creator’ market, or receive donations, or etc…
But make it illegal to copy? That’s just a pussy move.
Eh… For some things that might be true, but you have to take research costs into account…
No, I don’t have to. That’s too superfluous.
In jobs where you need to do researches, you just charge your time more expensive. That’s it.
Oh, like online piracy. Got it! 🤣
Nope. If the product is finished and you make a copy, nobody else is paying.
If you go to the store (90s style) and steal a copy, that’s a whole different thing.
Go to rental place in the 90’s/2000’s
Rent things
Copy things
Return original - No harm | Return copy - ???
Netflix DVD service is missed.
True, Linux isn’t free because it uses electricity. It’s free because it’s licensed under the GNU General Public License which is designed to defend the freedom of its users.
What? You don’t say.
Pirating Windows for what? It works as full version even if you let it be, watermark does nothing.
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts. Use this and get that horrid watermark off your screen!
Yeah but u cant change personalization settings without hassle so why not run an activation script?
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'tis a mistake. Supposed to be MacOS
Why would anyone pirate MacOS 😂
How would you pirate macOS? It’s free (as in beer)
I meant windows instead of MacOS
Or Linux 🔥
Yarr, ye by digging yourself a Mass Grave if you be running them Next Gen programs of the P variety.
Honestly, though, how long is that going to work for you? Windows 10 runs out of service like next year, sooner for most versions. It’s just not sustainable.
You can still pirate Windows 11 matey. And don’t forget Win 10 LTSC edition still has support until 2027.
Yeah but then you would have to deal with Windows 11 which is gross. I think only the IoT version of 10 has support the longest.
Lol. And yes, Windows 10 IoT LTSC version has support until 2032.
Windows 11 LTSC was also released recently for anyone that has to use 11.
Windows 10 LTSC ftw.
You can use windows 11 too? Just run an activation script and boom
Yeah but Windows 11 is even worse than Windows 10 which was already a step down from Windows 7.
True, i hate windows too but there are always debloaters and privacy scripts thatll help a little bit
I’m trying to figure out what to do with my lab workstation. If I want to mess with the settings of my Reolink cameras windows seems to be the only stable option sadly. I’ve tried their android software and it’s garbage. The web interface is very limited after enabling it in the settings via their software. Wine has not worked well for me. It’s an isolated lan so it’s not a huge deal but I really wish there was a Linux build. I love the hardware and don’t want to replace the physical cameras. Just so stupid they won’t support a Linux client.
Have you looked into configuring them directly from your NVR? Or third party options? I did a quick search and saw a list of several that as far as I can tell can display Reolink streams (though I haven’t confirmed any can configure the cameras):
And some proprietary options that have native Linux builds:
I really appreciate your comment but yes, I use frigate on an HAOS system. It works incredible and I have six of their cameras running along with four others from a different brand. The other four I can manipulate completely via Firefox on HAOS. The Reolink cameras just have no other option than doing the initial setup and advanced configurations from windows. So I keep a lab pc connected to that environment just so if I want to tweek anything like fps, resolution, network settings (IP, gateway, etc) that I’m able to do so. The web interface once enabling the https service on the camera has garbage capabilities compared to my other cameras. It’s not a huge deal, I haven’t had to get into them for advanced settings in a few months but it really annoys me that I can’t do initial configuration and advanced settings from Linux.
I feel that. I use an old Canon EOS model and the HDMI output isn’t clean so I was hyped when they released webcam software for windows…
but they charge $5 a month to use it in anything other than 720p…
Picking good devices to use is hard.
Run a windows vm?
Piracy is cool, but I prefer to use community-driven software rather than ones driven by corporate profits. I prefer a model where many can contribute to it, fork it, and for which making integrations is much easier thanks to its openness.
Hell yeah
Do you donate for the efforts?
Yes
Not OP but still good.
It takes many small efforts to make a big change! :)
If you want actual libre alternatives - Manjaro GNOME Linux, Krita with the AI Image Generation plugin. I’m sure someone else can suggest one for the third one.
Not that I condone piracy, but I thought photoshop switched to a SaaS model from CS6 or so that made it unlikely to be pirated?
CC is very piratable.
Free trials 4 lyfe
It is, yes. They do a ton of really small updates all the fucking time now, sometimes breaking critical shit, sometimes fixing things. (I don’t remember which version it was that ended support for PANTONE; now you have to pay for a subscription to PANTONE also, and the plug-in is trash and buggy as hell.) Since it wants to be always connected to the internet now, it’s more of a pain in the ass to pirate, although it’s likely still possible.
I have to use it for my job, so my company pays for it. But TBH, if you’re an industry professional, there’s really not any viable options on the market. Half the stuff clients send to me are in proprietary formats.
Would you describe it further? I don’t see how coming to a subscription-based model makes it not piracy. I feel like I miss something there.
I died a little inside by remembering that I was there when their lifetime CS licenses were sold and that licensing servers went offline at least a dozen of years ago… On the other hand, it raises a question if breaking CS versions is a piracy if they are abandoned. There’s no way to use them even if you are a paid customer wanting to install it on your new PC.
Again, I don’t condone piracy.
It used to be that you could install a legitimate Adobe and use then the only thing you would need is a key generator that would open the software. In essence, the entire software is located on your computer.
I was under the possibly mistaken impression that they took away the ability to register offline, and put the license server online. In other words, you’d have to patch the code or fake the license server to do accomplish the method of years prior
Iirc they already validate licence online long before going subscription only.
It’s still possible and last time I used it, it was about as easy as can be.
When I last did it, you just downloaded the regular program, installed it, then you ran a patcher and that was it. This was a couple years ago now, but Adobe already had their current business model.
Last time SWIM used a patcher, it came with a malware dropper. Is that still how this “free” works?
Sometimes yes.
Yup. The only real difference is the pricing model, the program is pretty much the same.
I rememeber they tried offering online libraries of stuff for download to justify the subscription for some products.
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