Ukrainian intelligence chief was doing a press conference and was asked what killed Navalny.
His response:
“Sorry to disappoint but as far as we know it was really natural causes.”
He was in a penal colony. Places not known for adequate food, medical care, or reasonable work protections.
No one is saying that someone shot him in the head. He died “naturally” because the body cannot sustain in that environment indefinitely. And who put him there, and why?
As long as people are out in the wild trying to give cover to regressive fascists, we’ll never see the end of this shit.
It doesn’t matter in the first place. If your political opponent dies in jail, it’s a bad look, and Putin’s have a habit of doing it all the time. And that’s if they don’t fall out a window first! Please don’t act like there’s some question what’s going on. You know Putin ran the KGB right? Probably some cold war spy experience, I don’t recall… The man killed his way to the top and then killed his way back down just to keep the tree looking nice. As murdering dictators go he really is a great model.
He didn’t, he wasn’t any kind of a boss from what I read. We have your imagination altering things quite a lot right here.
And that’s if they don’t fall out a window first!
By the way, this is not a known joke in Russia. There are also no bears roaming Moscow streets.
Real political opponents have mostly been shunned by state-controlled media to the degree most people considered them madmen or potential terrorists, and then with time passing some died, some grew out of relevance.
A few have been killed, yes, in a very short period of time during the second Chechen war. Starovoitova, Politkovskaya. EDIT: And with no irony if only they hadn’t, Russia would be completely different.
Then people of worse kind (like Nemtsov or Sobchak etc, who themselves participated in creating the system of government Putin uses) claimed that they are the opposition now, that didn’t quite work out, but interesting that even such a completely fake “elite” can evolve. I’m not sure if Nemtsov’s murder was even connected to politics TBF.
And then people like Navalny (initially doing some kind of nationalist activism, against immigration, street crime and corruption) suddenly became the opposition and themselves changed with time. It’s fascinating how a society evolves.
This maybe doesn’t belong here, point is there hasn’t been many defenestrations involved.
He can say whatever he wants. Navalny was specifically moved to that distant colony so they could have kill him without much fuss. He is not the only one in that colony but the only one who has died.
I don’t disagree politically bro, I disagree scientifically, and logically. Our government had a responsibility to remove you terrorists, they just did it a way that allows you twats to act like your oppressed.
You? I’m just a Yank who sees injustice. I don’t know anything about it other than a person in power froze the people’s bank account of some of its citizens and that’s wild asf. If they were Nazis I wasn’t aware but it’s still not okay to take money someone earned. Make a law that fines Nazis if you have to but don’t just freeze people’s bank accounts, that’s fucked up.
Most frozen accounts were organizers and people who were receiving money from others to continue with their “protests” or people espousing violent rhetoric. If you just believe the ticktoks you’re never going to see reality. These fucking idiots are still protesting all over our country, afraid of digital IDs ,vaccines, demanding mandates be dropped, people be rehired. Like dude they crazy and don’t mesh well with reality.
The antivax cowards had many peaceful protests previously without issue. They weren’t getting their demands met because their demands were idiotic.
So they escalated to disrupting the functioning of the government. Using psyops tactics against civilians. Harrassing civilians. Disrupting emergency services.
And for what? It wasn’t to increase awareness of covid restrictions. These restrictions were placed on the entire population, we were all aware of them. No it was an attempt to affect a change using extortion. Changes contrary to the democratic will of the country.
Since you love the slippery slope fallacies, consider the slope in the other direction. If an organized crime outfit used intimidation tactics to get their way, could they declare it as a “protest” and get off scot free? Where do you draw the line in that direction?
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” is a phrase parroted by people who usually don’t understand why it can sometimes be a logical fallacy. And sometimes not. You can’t just say “Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” and then follow up with “Some motherfuckers always trying to ice skate uphill”. Everything you said is deliberately disingenuous and not a good faith argument, and that’s either intentional or you’re not capable of better,
Not commenting on the argument, but just FYI: “Slippery Slope” actually refers to an argument that could include a slippery slope fallacy, but not necessarily. A slippery slope fallacy is an informal fallacy, meaning that any errors are in the content and not the format of the argument (i.e. the slippery slope argument itself).
These idiots think because the CBC supports the story, and the government inquiry pulled the cop trick of investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong in a kangaroo court, including gov lawyers by the handful and the opposition not allowed to defend themselves, that when it hit a real courtroom, and was found in violation of the charter, the actual half assed independent judge was the one in the wrong, not the fucking cabal.
No, according to the courts (one court), an emergency in one city does not meet the requirements for the Federal emergencies act, and didn’t take into account the negligence of the multiple layers of regional policing and government who refused to act.
Did you bother reading the ruling? The refusal of the city / province to act doesn’t equate to the inability of them to control the situation. The court definitely did account for that part.
I don’t know who you were talking to but I live in downtown Ottawa and it was absolutely a million times worse than any sporting event. I’m guessing your friends live in the suburbs, where the most they might have seen were some flag waving pickup trucks.
I was harassed the minute I walked out my door, there was literal shit covering the sidewalks, emergency vehicles blocked, businesses vandalised. The city basically shut down for 3-4 weeks. I know people who had to leave their homes to live with their family outside of downtown out of fear. People were physically attacked for wearing masks for fuck sakes.
Ottawa Police did absolutely nothing to stop it and Doug Ford declared a state of emergency but then pretended it wasn’t happening. The only thing that ended it all was the federal emergency act. I don’t like that it needed to be used either but the two lower levels of power completely failed
Funny, I seem to recall a bunch of bad actors larping as truckers blocking every single street in downtown Ottawa and blocking international borders obstructing trade. This wasn’t just a bunch of people with signs down on the corner that Trudeau didn’t like, they were intentionally stoking political fires and creating a national security issue. It was also shown that the “truckers” that didn’t want to get vaccinated got vaccinated in overwhelming numbers, even greater percentages than other industries due to the need to actually cross borders to do their job. The protestors were funded by American fascist groups.
The Emergencies Act, formerly the War Measures Act, is literally designed to suspend certain rights and freedoms during a national emergency. The only ever time it was used was during the FLQ crisis when politicians were being kidnapped and murdered.
You need to understand that the only thing that guarantees you your rights and freedoms is a piece of paper.
OK then the statement loses it’s impact considering he won’t say a word against the Americans and the Assange thing. Never mind his various other large and small hypocrisies.
Wellll no. Shut up. That’s just additional whataboutisms. You didn’t add anything new to the dialogue refuting my statement. So shut the fuck up and stop diminishing the little bit of good. You have ample spaces to rant about everything that sucks.
Assange represents a threat to Canada as much as he represents a threat to the US. Trudeau isn’t going to criticize the American response to Assange anyway, because our governments agree that our secrets are cooler than enemy secrets.
Are you talking about those antivax pieces of garbage who harassed homeless people and local businesses because another country wouldn’t let them across their border?
Yes, I’m not aware of another one? EDIT (For those that’ve only seen the movies, there’s a lot of discussion of propaganda and governance in the novel, it’s not an “action novel” like in the show, it’s a commentary on fascism among other things)
Do you think it’s wrong to freeze the bank accounts of members of al Qaeda?
What’s the distinction between a member of al Qaeda and a Nazi? Both are foreign groups that use violence to get their way. Both groups are considered enemies of Canada.
Should members of al Qaeda be allowed to do as they please in Canada because “they just have different ideals?”
Only if you’re an idiot that compares the attempted genocide of a people to a leader ensuring trade routes remain open for businesses and a city’s residents aren’t traumatized by racist children that like to make noise.
It was perfectly legal. And those protestors asked for things like “no vaccine required to enter USA”, Trudeau had nothing to do with that. Those protestors then degenerated into various conspiracy, and basically wanted to remove Trudeau and put a dictator instead. It was almost a coup, not a “protest”.
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Careful what underwear you put on there, Trudie
For downvoters: Navalny was poisoned with novichok on his underwear
Even if someone doesn’t understand the context, thats not what the downvoted button is for.
but someone said something that aligns with less than 100% of my beliefs
Careful. You might learn and grow as a person at this rate. ;p
Good for Justin Trudeau.
Ukrainian intelligence chief was doing a press conference and was asked what killed Navalny. His response:
“Sorry to disappoint but as far as we know it was really natural causes.”
He was in a penal colony. Places not known for adequate food, medical care, or reasonable work protections.
No one is saying that someone shot him in the head. He died “naturally” because the body cannot sustain in that environment indefinitely. And who put him there, and why?
As long as people are out in the wild trying to give cover to regressive fascists, we’ll never see the end of this shit.
His companies were classified as a foreign agent. Guy was a CIA tool, not trying to help anyone
Even if that’s true, it is not a reason to work someone to death.
Begone, troll
Quite ironic you calling someone a tool
Something something projection
i heard the ree of a buzzsaw starting up when I clicked his profile…
And sure enough, there it was.
Everyone who publicly speaks against Putin is a foreign agent in Russia. You’re spreading Putin’s propaganda.
He looked too alive and healthy for someone who would “naturally” die the next day. Obviously he was killed.
That’s not an argument, heart attacks, aneurysms happen. Of course prison environment, bad sleep, bad food, cold etc affected this.
It doesn’t matter in the first place. If your political opponent dies in jail, it’s a bad look, and Putin’s have a habit of doing it all the time. And that’s if they don’t fall out a window first! Please don’t act like there’s some question what’s going on. You know Putin ran the KGB right? Probably some cold war spy experience, I don’t recall… The man killed his way to the top and then killed his way back down just to keep the tree looking nice. As murdering dictators go he really is a great model.
Tis a silly discussion.
He didn’t, he wasn’t any kind of a boss from what I read. We have your imagination altering things quite a lot right here.
By the way, this is not a known joke in Russia. There are also no bears roaming Moscow streets.
Real political opponents have mostly been shunned by state-controlled media to the degree most people considered them madmen or potential terrorists, and then with time passing some died, some grew out of relevance.
A few have been killed, yes, in a very short period of time during the second Chechen war. Starovoitova, Politkovskaya. EDIT: And with no irony if only they hadn’t, Russia would be completely different.
Then people of worse kind (like Nemtsov or Sobchak etc, who themselves participated in creating the system of government Putin uses) claimed that they are the opposition now, that didn’t quite work out, but interesting that even such a completely fake “elite” can evolve. I’m not sure if Nemtsov’s murder was even connected to politics TBF.
And then people like Navalny (initially doing some kind of nationalist activism, against immigration, street crime and corruption) suddenly became the opposition and themselves changed with time. It’s fascinating how a society evolves.
This maybe doesn’t belong here, point is there hasn’t been many defenestrations involved.
Obviously there’s no bears in the streets. They’d be in the alleys, duh. ;)
I defer to your superior expertise on all points, and apologize for getting uppity! The man’s legend is simply legendary, that’s all.
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He can say whatever he wants. Navalny was specifically moved to that distant colony so they could have kill him without much fuss. He is not the only one in that colony but the only one who has died.
He was moved so far away for security reasons. Just today the terrorists from Russian liberation army said they were planning to get him out.
“Sorry to disappoint but as far as we know it was a meteorite strike.”
He seems happy
Well, fuck. We need a new one anyway…
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Trudeau would have to crouch to say it to Putin’s face.
All the way to Putin’s bunker and then he’d have to catch Putin there.
That’s the finest username I’ve seen on here.
The hottest, I might add
Always amusing that the thread with the most convoy shitbags participation tends to be Russia related
I mean, is he wrong?
hell yeah, Justin… give it to him straight…
The statement kinda loses it’s impact once you realize it’s coming from a leader who illegally broke up a protest against himself and his government
Peaceful protest it was not.
According to the courts it did not meet the standard of violence required.
Doesn’t make it illegal bud. Learn how our system works before opening your COVID riddled mouth.
Why tf does it matter what the protests were about? You disagree politically so it’s okay for the government to do that? That’s a slippery slope.
I don’t disagree politically bro, I disagree scientifically, and logically. Our government had a responsibility to remove you terrorists, they just did it a way that allows you twats to act like your oppressed.
You? I’m just a Yank who sees injustice. I don’t know anything about it other than a person in power froze the people’s bank account of some of its citizens and that’s wild asf. If they were Nazis I wasn’t aware but it’s still not okay to take money someone earned. Make a law that fines Nazis if you have to but don’t just freeze people’s bank accounts, that’s fucked up.
Most frozen accounts were organizers and people who were receiving money from others to continue with their “protests” or people espousing violent rhetoric. If you just believe the ticktoks you’re never going to see reality. These fucking idiots are still protesting all over our country, afraid of digital IDs ,vaccines, demanding mandates be dropped, people be rehired. Like dude they crazy and don’t mesh well with reality.
It’s always the people who weren’t there who continue to push the idea that it was a peaceful protest.
“Slippery slope” is a logical fallacy.
The antivax cowards had many peaceful protests previously without issue. They weren’t getting their demands met because their demands were idiotic.
So they escalated to disrupting the functioning of the government. Using psyops tactics against civilians. Harrassing civilians. Disrupting emergency services.
And for what? It wasn’t to increase awareness of covid restrictions. These restrictions were placed on the entire population, we were all aware of them. No it was an attempt to affect a change using extortion. Changes contrary to the democratic will of the country.
Since you love the slippery slope fallacies, consider the slope in the other direction. If an organized crime outfit used intimidation tactics to get their way, could they declare it as a “protest” and get off scot free? Where do you draw the line in that direction?
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” is a phrase parroted by people who usually don’t understand why it can sometimes be a logical fallacy. And sometimes not. You can’t just say “Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” and then follow up with “Some motherfuckers always trying to ice skate uphill”. Everything you said is deliberately disingenuous and not a good faith argument, and that’s either intentional or you’re not capable of better,
Not commenting on the argument, but just FYI: “Slippery Slope” actually refers to an argument that could include a slippery slope fallacy, but not necessarily. A slippery slope fallacy is an informal fallacy, meaning that any errors are in the content and not the format of the argument (i.e. the slippery slope argument itself).
He either knows that, or it was on that list of logical fallacies he read the names of and thinks you can just say “Slippery Slope” and win.
If it wasn’t illegal then the government wouldn’t have lost the court case.
These idiots think because the CBC supports the story, and the government inquiry pulled the cop trick of investigating themselves and finding they did nothing wrong in a kangaroo court, including gov lawyers by the handful and the opposition not allowed to defend themselves, that when it hit a real courtroom, and was found in violation of the charter, the actual half assed independent judge was the one in the wrong, not the fucking cabal.
No, according to the courts (one court), an emergency in one city does not meet the requirements for the Federal emergencies act, and didn’t take into account the negligence of the multiple layers of regional policing and government who refused to act.
Did you bother reading the ruling? The refusal of the city / province to act doesn’t equate to the inability of them to control the situation. The court definitely did account for that part.
A city under siege with no police protection is an emergency, full stop.
Lol, I know people that live in the area and they’ve said it wasn’t worse than what happens during major sporting events.
Lol.
There aren’t even any major sporting venues in that area.
The people who you “know” clearly do not live in the area.
I don’t know who you were talking to but I live in downtown Ottawa and it was absolutely a million times worse than any sporting event. I’m guessing your friends live in the suburbs, where the most they might have seen were some flag waving pickup trucks.
I was harassed the minute I walked out my door, there was literal shit covering the sidewalks, emergency vehicles blocked, businesses vandalised. The city basically shut down for 3-4 weeks. I know people who had to leave their homes to live with their family outside of downtown out of fear. People were physically attacked for wearing masks for fuck sakes.
Ottawa Police did absolutely nothing to stop it and Doug Ford declared a state of emergency but then pretended it wasn’t happening. The only thing that ended it all was the federal emergency act. I don’t like that it needed to be used either but the two lower levels of power completely failed
So you agree it was violent and not peaceful? Lol whoops.
In a world where some consider mean words and minor action as violent, yes it was.
Lol means words and “minor action” it was not. Well we can see you for what you are, trying to downplay reality. Cheers.
lol WHAT ABOUT the time Trudy cucked the Ottawa police when they couldn’t perform
Funny, I seem to recall a bunch of bad actors larping as truckers blocking every single street in downtown Ottawa and blocking international borders obstructing trade. This wasn’t just a bunch of people with signs down on the corner that Trudeau didn’t like, they were intentionally stoking political fires and creating a national security issue. It was also shown that the “truckers” that didn’t want to get vaccinated got vaccinated in overwhelming numbers, even greater percentages than other industries due to the need to actually cross borders to do their job. The protestors were funded by American fascist groups.
It took weeks of inaction from Ford and the Ottawa police before Trudeau finally had to act to restore order.
There’s a difference between illegal and not meeting a standard to use a policy.
Also y’all weren’t protesting him you were protesting people with brains.
Yeah…a policy that sidesteps the charter of rights and freedoms. Quit being disingenuous.
The Emergencies Act, formerly the War Measures Act, is literally designed to suspend certain rights and freedoms during a national emergency. The only ever time it was used was during the FLQ crisis when politicians were being kidnapped and murdered.
You need to understand that the only thing that guarantees you your rights and freedoms is a piece of paper.
Used twice and I think you responded to the wrong person.
@northmaple1984 @sik0fewl your statement kinda loses its impact when you realise he didn’t do what you described.
https://canlii.ca/t/k2d9l
Courts disagree
@northmaple1984 One judge, to be appealed ≠ “courts”
Countries can be going through their own struggles and stand against foreign tyranny at the same time.
OK then the statement loses it’s impact considering he won’t say a word against the Americans and the Assange thing. Never mind his various other large and small hypocrisies.
Wellll no. Shut up. That’s just additional whataboutisms. You didn’t add anything new to the dialogue refuting my statement. So shut the fuck up and stop diminishing the little bit of good. You have ample spaces to rant about everything that sucks.
You’re praising a lying fuck for being a massive hypocrite, so no, you shut up.
Assange represents a threat to Canada as much as he represents a threat to the US. Trudeau isn’t going to criticize the American response to Assange anyway, because our governments agree that our secrets are cooler than enemy secrets.
Lick dem boots
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Are you talking about those antivax pieces of garbage who harassed homeless people and local businesses because another country wouldn’t let them across their border?
It’s never okay for a government to freeze it’s citizens bank accounts. Let alone for political reasons, that’s fascist as fuck.
Ahh, good ol’ right wingers using words they don’t understand to make arguments they don’t fully comprehend.
I’m not a right winger
I think people with swastikas on their flags are usually considered fascist.
Maybe look into the paradox of tolerance.
Read DUNE and quit parroting what they want you to say.
Wait, by Frank Herbert? Or…
Yes, I’m not aware of another one? EDIT (For those that’ve only seen the movies, there’s a lot of discussion of propaganda and governance in the novel, it’s not an “action novel” like in the show, it’s a commentary on fascism among other things)
I’ve read the book. Was still confused, but could kinda see how that could be what you meant
Make a fine for people who support nazi ideals. Don’t stop people from being able to pay for food with money they already earned.
Do you think it’s wrong to freeze the bank accounts of members of al Qaeda?
What’s the distinction between a member of al Qaeda and a Nazi? Both are foreign groups that use violence to get their way. Both groups are considered enemies of Canada.
Should members of al Qaeda be allowed to do as they please in Canada because “they just have different ideals?”
If a member of al Qaeda has a legal job that he gets paid for, he should be allowed to have the money he earned. Money for work is so basic.
Strawman detected. Citizens protesting is not the same thing as foreign terrorists doing whatever.
Are you Canadian?
If you are you should be able to understand how a minority government can not be fascist.
…Fucking are you ? Jesus. Complete lack of understanding of how a parliament works on display.
Are you telling me a minority government has unlimited power?
(Looks at recent parliamentary history) Apparently when they have a deal with a spineless goof, yes.
Okay four hour old account with seventeen comments.
No we’re talking about no nothing morons believe everything they see on CTV
Aka the Karen konvoy
Only if you’re an idiot that compares the attempted genocide of a people to a leader ensuring trade routes remain open for businesses and a city’s residents aren’t traumatized by racist children that like to make noise.
@northmaple1984 @sik0fewl
Oh, F off.
It’s pretty telling that you don’t say what protest you’re talking about. Is it the stupid truckers?
Which other protests ended with the federal government illegally using the Emergency Act?
It was perfectly legal. And those protestors asked for things like “no vaccine required to enter USA”, Trudeau had nothing to do with that. Those protestors then degenerated into various conspiracy, and basically wanted to remove Trudeau and put a dictator instead. It was almost a coup, not a “protest”.
I LOLed so hard when I heard their demands were the removal of our elected representatives to be replaced with THEMSELVES
That protest wasn’t against Trudeau, it was against common sense.
We’re talking about someone will the IQ and memory capacity of a goldfish
Hey now, don’t be giving goldfish a bad name now - some have good memory capacity
https://www.livescience.com/goldfish-memory.html
Nothing more to say, just wanting to stand up for goldfish is all.
He’s not perfect but let’s see Russians drive around with “fuck putin” on their truck and see how long that works out for them.
@can @northmaple1984
“Canada’s a free country! I can drive around with a ‘[BLEEP] Trudeau’ bumper sticker any time I want!”
“Ah, but Russia is *also* a free country. I *too* can drive around with a ‘[BLEEP] Trudeau’ bumper sticker any time I want.”
(Thank you, Soviet Anecdote Formula Number 46!)