If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Did exactly the same thing a while ago. I’m sure at some point I’ll also have to make an account on just that instance so I can view it there which is shitty but works.
I’m happy on feddit.de, as they are really only defederated from the tankies and Threads.
I left L.W when they federated with Threads and tried lemm.ee, but dealing with the tankies is so annoying I had to find another new home and settled for feddit.de.
Yeah lemmy.ml has gotten worse with tankies, but it’s no where near as bad as the others. And I still want to see some lemmy.ml communities (tech, gaming).
But unless it’s changed with some of the recent updates, blocking instances as a user (on lemmy) only blocks posts from the instance but still allows interaction with their users in comments of posts. It’s different for kbin and mastodon.
I don’t want the annoyance of arguing with tankies from their main instances. I’d rather be defederated.
Also, why go back to lemm.ee and do that when I don’t need to on feddit.de? That seems kind of silly in the first place.
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
It’s early days still. When this sort of thing triggers an “exodus” users will just shift to other instances, further decentralising the service without unduly hurting the platform. If big instances want to stay relevant they need to not enshittify. If it turns out that’s impossible, then instances will have to stay small, which is fine by me. I certainly won’t miss the majority of lemmy.world users.
When this happened the first time I just remade my account on another instance, resubscribed to all my communities from world and subscribed to my other ones that they blocked. Not ideal, I know, but I still (do far) have a single stop.
Looks like the mods over at politics@lemmy.world banned me as I am not pro Trump. I am glad they revealed who they really are over there so I can block them too.
you were banned for trolling and not backing down when the downvotes for your posts, which resembled a schizophrenic outburst, started rolling in. don’t lie man, the modlogs are public.
Much as I’d love to jump on the lemmy.world hate with your comment, I find they tend to be bog standard liberals with very little political education, not Trump supporters. Also your comment history is still visible in some apps, and it doesn’t tell such a clear cut story as you’re telling here.
If you are indeed anti-Trump, it’s not clear from what you said there. In fact what you said was such a mess that I don’t hold out a lot of hope for your response to this comment. I honestly don’t blame them for giving you a time out.
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they’re anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there’s more incentive to move to better instances. It’s when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there’s less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
You’re not wrong. But people are lazy. They want to go where everyone is and have FOMO they’ll miss something good by not being on the biggest instance.
imo when the devs get tired of .ml being the second cousin and not the biggest or most well-liked instance, they’ll change their website to not surface by size and popularity so much.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
Some people were forced away from Reddit and don’t subscribe to that idea (yet?) - maybe they will understand that after being here for some time, but I know when my reddit app stopped working I just wanted something to fill the void
Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
There’s kind of a tension here between Lemmy’s design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.
I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can’t really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It’s not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is “as long as it stays convenient and interesting.” There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I’m not to worried about .world’s popularity so long as they don’t do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.
I’m aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.
Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
I don’t disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don’t.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
I’m so glad I’m on my own instance.
I am running on Lemmy-Easy-Deploy but it seems to be abandoned. How do you have yours set up?
Manual docker deployment
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I just left lemmy.world for lemmy.ca
Corporate cucks and their censors can go fuck themselves.
I’m done with that shit.
Welcome to the club, I moved to lemmy.ca since they banned piracy instances for the first time
Communist trolls are a protected class there. As long as you don’t report them, you’ll be fine in .ca
Did exactly the same thing a while ago. I’m sure at some point I’ll also have to make an account on just that instance so I can view it there which is shitty but works.
Sadly lemmy.CA won’t be far behind
I’m afraid of that, but hopefully there will be even more alternatives by then.
I’m happy on feddit.de, as they are really only defederated from the tankies and Threads.
I left L.W when they federated with Threads and tried lemm.ee, but dealing with the tankies is so annoying I had to find another new home and settled for feddit.de.
Can’t you use lemm.ee and block tankie instances?
feddit.de is still federated with lemmy.ml which is a tankie instance.
Yeah lemmy.ml has gotten worse with tankies, but it’s no where near as bad as the others. And I still want to see some lemmy.ml communities (tech, gaming).
But unless it’s changed with some of the recent updates, blocking instances as a user (on lemmy) only blocks posts from the instance but still allows interaction with their users in comments of posts. It’s different for kbin and mastodon.
I don’t want the annoyance of arguing with tankies from their main instances. I’d rather be defederated.
Also, why go back to lemm.ee and do that when I don’t need to on feddit.de? That seems kind of silly in the first place.
Yeah, world news is the one to block on lemmy.ml
Edit: Actually fuck it, just block the whole cesspool. Plenty of alternatives to post to.
Well I guess that shows why I main kbin and not lemmy.world. Absolute dogshit decision from them.
Absolute joke instance lmao.
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average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it’s problems
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Just deleted my account there and created this one earlier today. Hello!
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now…
EDIT2: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
Don’t you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
That’s unfortunate.
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
To be fair they do say they “need to be” transparent, not that they were going to be :p
“Just a heads up for when we do this again: we know that it sucks, and we are doing it anyway.”
🤣
If there’s anything they should be spooked by, it’s the pitchforks!
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
😞 🧑🌾
They got lawyered maybe.
I’m doubtful
They’ve just posted.
It’s not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
Looks like Lemmy has a tragic flaw…not decentralized enough.
It’s early days still. When this sort of thing triggers an “exodus” users will just shift to other instances, further decentralising the service without unduly hurting the platform. If big instances want to stay relevant they need to not enshittify. If it turns out that’s impossible, then instances will have to stay small, which is fine by me. I certainly won’t miss the majority of lemmy.world users.
When this happened the first time I just remade my account on another instance, resubscribed to all my communities from world and subscribed to my other ones that they blocked. Not ideal, I know, but I still (do far) have a single stop.
It’s even easier with account migration now. I haven’t tried it myself but apparently you can just sort of continue from where you left off.
I haven’t either, if lemmy.ca turns to shit I’ll try this next time.
Looks like the mods over at politics@lemmy.world banned me as I am not pro Trump. I am glad they revealed who they really are over there so I can block them too.
you were banned for trolling and not backing down when the downvotes for your posts, which resembled a schizophrenic outburst, started rolling in. don’t lie man, the modlogs are public.
Much as I’d love to jump on the lemmy.world hate with your comment, I find they tend to be bog standard liberals with very little political education, not Trump supporters. Also your comment history is still visible in some apps, and it doesn’t tell such a clear cut story as you’re telling here.
If you are indeed anti-Trump, it’s not clear from what you said there. In fact what you said was such a mess that I don’t hold out a lot of hope for your response to this comment. I honestly don’t blame them for giving you a time out.
It’s because you’re a moron lacking basic reasoning skills and calling everyone you see a sheep. People are having none of it bro
Maybe the lemmy.world mods are just following The Golden Path, making the Fediverse more resilient through their tyranny!
Hey it got me to switch to dbzer0!
Been here since I started Lemmy. It’s so normal and well-done.
You’re gonna like the way it works. I guarantee it.
Me too
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they’re anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there’s more incentive to move to better instances. It’s when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there’s less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from being the obvious target.
You’re not wrong. But people are lazy. They want to go where everyone is and have FOMO they’ll miss something good by not being on the biggest instance.
Instance checks out lol
hexbear alt
imo when the devs get tired of .ml being the second cousin and not the biggest or most well-liked instance, they’ll change their website to not surface by size and popularity so much.
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Also, don’t put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can’t get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It’s run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven’t defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn’t cool with.
I’m not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I’m not sure). One of the factors for sure.
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it’s of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
Agree, but easier said than done
I’m a programmer and it really is quite easy to implement lol
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I’m genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
You’re overthinking it. Select a few of the popular ones and be done with it
So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it’s infuriating.
Trying to think of any place that didn’t/doesn’t default to them
Maybe boost? I’m not certain as I logged my first account on liftoff
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it’s no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
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Why would anyone want that? The whole point of being on Lemmy is to get away from Reddit
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Some people were forced away from Reddit and don’t subscribe to that idea (yet?) - maybe they will understand that after being here for some time, but I know when my reddit app stopped working I just wanted something to fill the void
People want lefty reddit circle-jerk, but don’t want to use the official app or mobile website.
I think it’s fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn’t gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.
Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.
Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.
Lemmy is confusing enough for people who are not used to its idea. Everybody new and with FOMO immediately went for the bigger instances.
There’s kind of a tension here between Lemmy’s design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.
And instead they get the entire network no matter what instance they sign up for. Well, somewhat less than the entire network, apparently…
(I say this knowing full well how many think they’re “on the internet” even though they never leave Meta’s corporate web)
Because they actually just want to still be on reddit.
Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
What happened to the messages in their Discord?
What I heard was a bot to send in ip from certain instances
They’re also federated with threads so I wouldn’t be surprised at all. I’m a fool for sticking around in there as long as I have.
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Hexbear is at the top by quality, not quantity 😔
I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It’s no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you’re right about the quality, that’s what’s important.
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can’t really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It’s not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is “as long as it stays convenient and interesting.” There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I’m not to worried about .world’s popularity so long as they don’t do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.
If by open registration, you mean without approval, I strongly recommend you add an approval step, due to spam.
I’m aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.
I mean, depending on your costs, running your own instance has benefits of control.
Agreed, and I don’t intend to stop at the moment. When I wrote “close it” I meant registration, sorry about the ambiguous language.
so long as you’re regularly exporting your profile, moving instances isn’t a big deal anymore.
Exporting what, now?
The whole point is most people want simplicity, not a chore.
convenience, freedom, price, safety. Choose 2
For most users, price and convenience. That’s been made very clear over and over again.
Sure, but eventually the lack of freedom and security drives them away when the service enshittifies thoroughly.
That’s what we like to think. Facebook, Google, kinda shows us most users are perfectly happy to continue taking abuse, though
Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.
Banning users with certain “opinions” isn’t a bad thing on its own, but on .world that grain seems to be the corporate-bootlicking grain of Reddit.
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
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In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
Imagine being even more of a corporate simp that Reddit lmao
Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It’s like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
My instance is somewhat small so I’m not guilty :D
I don’t disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don’t.
I decided to move here as suggested :)
I’ll never delete your community 😭