Stainless steel also stains. “Stainless” does not mean “never stains,” just that it stains less than other steels.
Endless Spotless Stainless Steel is a steel that stains, has fewer spots, and ends a bit later.
The logic of English is all but senseless. Which means it has everything except a bit less sense.
I found out way too late that “all but” means exactly the same thing as “almost”. If “all but X” is taken literally, it should mean “you can describe this thing in lots of ways, but it’s definitely not X”.
(I am not a native English speaker but I use English more then my native tongue due to being online so much)
What I haven’t seen mentioned is that the structure of the vehicle depends on the integrity of the exterior, if Tesla’s own marketing was true. So, if it rusts easily, isn’t it more likely to be structurally unstable during impact?
Haven’t read the article, but I am going to say it’s a bad alloy combined with salt in the air, salt on the roads combined with galvanic corrosion. I’ll edit my post after I read this…
Edit: It’s the deadly chromium layer not being wrapped in a $5000 clear coat.
To clarify, it was still a very bad idea because of added mass, it just wasn’t necessarily a bad idea for rust since they could have mitigated risk of rust in one of several ways.
The added mass is really bad for battery performance/range, pedestrian safety, safety of other motorists, and total greenhouse gas emissions in production (and added fuel costs for the marginal power increase, of course).
That was musks selling point for production, he said by skipping the paint booth they saved X amount of time, materials and money by going with plain untreated stainless
This is such bullshit though. Deloreans were built with uncoated 304 stainless steel (think, same as in food grade stainless stuff), and with all their other issues, rust is not one of them.
If Teslas rust, they chose the wrong steel, the end.
We don’t even know if they’re rusting. All these articles are based off a couple pictures posted in a forum from a guy who doesn’t even know what the actual issue is. These articles are just filling in the blanks with speculation.
The damn maintenance manual tells owners to carefully remove anything remotely corrosive (including, among other things, tree sap). Given Tesla knows the material is subject to rust, I think it’s a bit more than just some confused owners.
Them telling drivers to meticulously clean the vehicles doesn’t necessarily mean they’re afraid its going to rust. They’re probably concerned with staining and junk getting embedded into the panels. In the forum post, you can actually see a little bit of staining circling some of the debris on the panels. Furthermore, iron particles can get on the panel and rust themselves even though the actual panel itself isn’t rusting. This is why they make iron decontamination spray for auto detailing.
Pretty sure that list applies to paint as well, and can be found in most car manuals.
I just searched the most recent manual for my model car, and it said this:
Washing
To help protect your vehicle’s finish from rust and deterioration, wash it thoroughly and frequently at least once amonth with lukewarm or cold water. If you use your vehicle for off-road driving, you should wash it after each off-road trip. Pay special attention to the removal of any accumulation of salt, dirt, mud, and other foreign materials. Make sure the drain holes in the lower edges of the doors and rocker panels are kept clear and clean. Insects, tar, tree sap, bird droppings, industrial pollution and similar deposits can damage your vehicle’s finish if not removed immediately.
Please try to keep your criticisms of Musk fair and unbiased. Otherwise, you risk weakening your point.
For the record, I deleted the comment you replied to because I realized I was wrong in that both Tesla and the quoted manual, above, urge the removal of tree sap and so forth immediately, something I hadn’t caught in my first reading.
Having recognized that I realized I hadn’t considered the more fundamental point that I called out in my other comment (that the fact that the Cybertruck finish requires the same treatment as a regular car is in fact an indictment of the quality of the Cybertruck’s exterior, not a justification for it), hence the new reply.
Yes, but you see the difference is my car is expected to rust because it’s not made of supposedly stainless steel.
So I fully expect to have to protect my car’s finish. That’s why it’s painted. The Cybertruck doesn’t even have a clear coat. One would naturally thus expect that, unlike my regular non-stainless steel car, the Cybertruck wouldn’t in fact rust.
Please try to keep your criticisms of Musk fair and unbiased. Otherwise, you risk weakening your point.
Thank you for your unsolicited advice. I’m sure next time I’ll keep it in mind while having meaningless arguments with anonymous internet strangers.
Oh, I thought this was a social media platform, where people don’t need to be solicited to post their comments. If you don’t want responses, start a blog. If you dont want responses from me, use the block function. If you want to engage in mostly baseless complaining, expect that people might call you out in a semi-anonymous forum.
@FiskFisk33@remotelove Yeah, I find it rather interesting, that DMC was able to built a car that had none of the issues more than 40 years ago - which means that it is a doable task. So Tesla simply ignored it.
And they were built in Ireland where rain is not exactly rare. During a time when acid rain was a thing (unlike some people claim these days, acid rain was not a hoax, it was just pretty easy to solve with things like cat converters and regulations on industry and it was solved pretty quickly)
If anyone needs one reason to avoid the stupidtruck, it’s the sheer ugliness of that abomination. I don’t understand how people can worship such a petulant egomaniac enough to adore such a travesty from him.
You can test drive the car before you buy though. I did some months ago, though I didn’t end up buying it.
Granted, you don’t try the exact vehicle that you’ll be buying. You used to be able to return the vehicle within 7 days, but it looks like they canceled that policy.
FDA approved stainless steel (316L) doesn’t actually rust. Otherwise you’d have sprinkles of rust in your food and drink from production, and you’d have to buy new utensils and a kitchen sink because they’ve rusted.
There are different grades of stainless steel with their varying properties.
316L is perfectly capable of rusting especially under pitting corrosion. I don’t know who told you it is physically incapable. It is just unlikely under normal food conditions.
316L absolutely can corrode. Add a bit of acid in the water and it will start showing rust soon enough. Typically you can find chemical compatibility charts for various metal grades to see what does and doesn’t work with a metal.
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Endless Spotless Stainless Steel is a steel that stains, has fewer spots, and ends a bit later. The logic of English is all but senseless. Which means it has everything except a bit less sense.
I found out way too late that “all but” means exactly the same thing as “almost”. If “all but X” is taken literally, it should mean “you can describe this thing in lots of ways, but it’s definitely not X”.
(I am not a native English speaker but I use English more then my native tongue due to being online so much)
What I haven’t seen mentioned is that the structure of the vehicle depends on the integrity of the exterior, if Tesla’s own marketing was true. So, if it rusts easily, isn’t it more likely to be structurally unstable during impact?
The headline says it may be rusting. Nobody would be saying “may be rusting” if it was known they were rusting.
Fair point. No dog in the fight over here.
I think they dropped their original plan for a unibody design, and there is a regular chassis underneith. That also could be rusting, but invisibly :)
Tesla: for another five grand we will rainproof the metal on your vehicle
How much is a wind-proof windshield? And do they also offer air-proof tires?
Okay, it rusts. Now, ride SpaceX ships…
Haven’t read the article, but I am going to say it’s a bad alloy combined with salt in the air, salt on the roads combined with galvanic corrosion. I’ll edit my post after I read this…
Edit: It’s the deadly chromium layer not being wrapped in a $5000 clear coat.
Who would have thought that their truck would need a $5000 extra to be usable outdoors? Who buys a truck to keep it indoors?
They didn’t do a clear coat like everything else ever made lol.
I can understand other more specific problems, but something like this for a car manufacturer…
Except the DeLorean. Which doesn’t rust at all.
Tesla’s idea wasn’t even bad, they just cheaped out enough to ruin it.
To clarify, it was still a very bad idea because of added mass, it just wasn’t necessarily a bad idea for rust since they could have mitigated risk of rust in one of several ways.
The added mass is really bad for battery performance/range, pedestrian safety, safety of other motorists, and total greenhouse gas emissions in production (and added fuel costs for the marginal power increase, of course).
When your customer base has main character syndrome, none of that matters, go hog wild
Lulz. I was updating my post when you responded.
People don’t understand that stainless steel just “stains” slower than pure iron or regular steel.
And differently depending on which stainless grade alloy. (308, 316 ,15-5 ,18-10 etc)
That was musks selling point for production, he said by skipping the paint booth they saved X amount of time, materials and money by going with plain untreated stainless
They could have saved even more by not putting batteries in them, or motors… Man, these things coulda had a way bigger profit margin!
Say you’re only running off 100 of them and charge $1,000,000. They’ll all be sold. Ferrari perfected this business model long ago.
This is such bullshit though. Deloreans were built with uncoated 304 stainless steel (think, same as in food grade stainless stuff), and with all their other issues, rust is not one of them.
If Teslas rust, they chose the wrong steel, the end.
We don’t even know if they’re rusting. All these articles are based off a couple pictures posted in a forum from a guy who doesn’t even know what the actual issue is. These articles are just filling in the blanks with speculation.
The damn maintenance manual tells owners to carefully remove anything remotely corrosive (including, among other things, tree sap). Given Tesla knows the material is subject to rust, I think it’s a bit more than just some confused owners.
Them telling drivers to meticulously clean the vehicles doesn’t necessarily mean they’re afraid its going to rust. They’re probably concerned with staining and junk getting embedded into the panels. In the forum post, you can actually see a little bit of staining circling some of the debris on the panels. Furthermore, iron particles can get on the panel and rust themselves even though the actual panel itself isn’t rusting. This is why they make iron decontamination spray for auto detailing.
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Pretty sure that list applies to paint as well, and can be found in most car manuals.
I just searched the most recent manual for my model car, and it said this:
Please try to keep your criticisms of Musk fair and unbiased. Otherwise, you risk weakening your point.
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For the record, I deleted the comment you replied to because I realized I was wrong in that both Tesla and the quoted manual, above, urge the removal of tree sap and so forth immediately, something I hadn’t caught in my first reading.
Having recognized that I realized I hadn’t considered the more fundamental point that I called out in my other comment (that the fact that the Cybertruck finish requires the same treatment as a regular car is in fact an indictment of the quality of the Cybertruck’s exterior, not a justification for it), hence the new reply.
Yes, but you see the difference is my car is expected to rust because it’s not made of supposedly stainless steel.
So I fully expect to have to protect my car’s finish. That’s why it’s painted. The Cybertruck doesn’t even have a clear coat. One would naturally thus expect that, unlike my regular non-stainless steel car, the Cybertruck wouldn’t in fact rust.
Thank you for your unsolicited advice. I’m sure next time I’ll keep it in mind while having meaningless arguments with anonymous internet strangers.
Oh, I thought this was a social media platform, where people don’t need to be solicited to post their comments. If you don’t want responses, start a blog. If you dont want responses from me, use the block function. If you want to engage in mostly baseless complaining, expect that people might call you out in a semi-anonymous forum.
@FiskFisk33 @remotelove Yeah, I find it rather interesting, that DMC was able to built a car that had none of the issues more than 40 years ago - which means that it is a doable task. So Tesla simply ignored it.
And they were built in Ireland where rain is not exactly rare. During a time when acid rain was a thing (unlike some people claim these days, acid rain was not a hoax, it was just pretty easy to solve with things like cat converters and regulations on industry and it was solved pretty quickly)
Just like the exterior of their new gigafactory in Austin.
Ooo, I know this one! Is it because of Elon’s massive ego and refusal to listen to experts?
If anyone needs one reason to avoid the stupidtruck, it’s the sheer ugliness of that abomination. I don’t understand how people can worship such a petulant egomaniac enough to adore such a travesty from him.
because tesla is a rubbish company that sells poorly made cars at expensive markups because there’s no dealer showroom to try before you buy
I think this is actually what Tesla’s biggest contribution to cars has been thus far. Dealerships need to die, the stone ages are over.
You can test drive the car before you buy though. I did some months ago, though I didn’t end up buying it.
Granted, you don’t try the exact vehicle that you’ll be buying. You used to be able to return the vehicle within 7 days, but it looks like they canceled that policy.
Because its not actually stainless.
All “stainless” means is that the alloy contains at least 10.5% chromium. It’s not a guarantee that it won’t corrode or oxidize.
Someone brought up an important point about stainless steal that i forgot until they mentioned it… It’s called stain-less, not stain-free.
Double unstain metal
Should have used rust-free steel instead, classic Dusk mistake 🙄
Full Self Destaining :)
elon’s gonna bring back rusty jones into popularity.
which ironically would be the first time elon brought a company OUT of bankruptcy
FDA approved stainless steel (316L) doesn’t actually rust. Otherwise you’d have sprinkles of rust in your food and drink from production, and you’d have to buy new utensils and a kitchen sink because they’ve rusted.
There are different grades of stainless steel with their varying properties.
316L is perfectly capable of rusting especially under pitting corrosion. I don’t know who told you it is physically incapable. It is just unlikely under normal food conditions.
316L absolutely can corrode. Add a bit of acid in the water and it will start showing rust soon enough. Typically you can find chemical compatibility charts for various metal grades to see what does and doesn’t work with a metal.
Rust is just iron oxide, it’s not a big deal in food in small quantities.
Though alloys containing chromium might be a different story.
Congrats to Tesla for making the worst truck imaginable. Shit’s hilarious, too bad it’s not a joke.
It is a joke, it’s just unintended 😁
@hedge just leave it on the street to encourage tagging and get a free paint job, problem solved
What the washing alcohol off fleck? Do they not know that alcohol evaporates without a trace?
Alcohol evaporates, but the stuff you were trying to clean off does not.
One would think that this is gone too after changing towel. But anyway, that us not what’s written in the manual…
Is it because they’re shitty overpriced pieces of junk hawked by a known con artist? Or some other reason?
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for any of the idiots that buy these idiotic things.