I can’t wait to hear about the GNU Is Not UNIX Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of
Also, almost all of that is written in C, which is a successor to B, which is a simplified version of the Basic Combined Programming Language. There was never an A.
As a dev who works on both Java and C# code, modern Java (17+) and C# feel almost exactly the same (not sure if Java has extension methods though).
Bonus points for using Kotlin instead tho. I dislike both Java and C# just because they both allow any object to be null and that’s usually a headache whenever a null exception shows up.
The only thing I like better about C# is the Fixture library for testing. I haven’t found any mature libraries like it for Java yet.
they both allow any object to be null and that’s usually a headache whenever a null exception shows up.
C# has nullable reference types now: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/nullable-references. If you enable it, you have to explicitly make reference types nullable (like ?string) and you’ll get build warnings if you try to use a variable that’s potentially null.
Wait why didn’t they keep unpacking the recursive acronym further?
GNU’s Not Unix’s Not Unix’s Not Unix’s Not Unix
I’d say that’s a pretty good amount although if there’s a mathematical way of formulating the unpacking of acronyms in a text I’d like to see the that repeated until infinity.
Yea no kidding. Gnome is pronounced Guhnome, Mate DE is pronounced Matay, Open Suse is susuh not soos, and Qt is to be pronounced as “cute” instead of just… Q-T. Many such cases.
Web browsers: elinks, based on links, which I’m pretty sure was a play on words on lynx, which is a play on words on “links” on a web page.
Then there’s email. There’s mahogany and balsa and mulberry, which are in-jokes referring to pine, which was a joke referring to elm, which stood for ELectronic Mail. Pine has been forked to alpine, in an entirely different play on words.
Open Watcom supports a debugging format called DWARF, which I assumed was a ridiculous acronym, until I learned it only works on ELF binaries.
The big one is how there was a programming language called A Programming Language. There is a B programming language, but it’s unrelated, being developed for Multics… Multics being the inspiration for Unix, a joke about castration. The developers of B went on to develop C. C was followed up by the command to increment a variable: C++. Except some interdisciplinary dorks thought it was a musical note and created C#. D is somehow a sequel to both of those.
There’s a reason why-- look. Nicholas Metropolis, namesake of the raytracing method, was sick of mainframe computers with ridiculous acronyms like ENIAC, AVIDAC, and ILLIAC, so he named his university’s new machine MANIAC. Absolutely no-one got the joke. All computer scientists are broken in the same peculiar way, and it is impossible to satirize how stupid we get when asked to name a thing.
My favorite part of the AI boom is how all the stupid internal names become public. It moves so fast that there’s no time to rebrand from the dork-ass things engineers come up with.
And before Pidgin was named Pidgin, it was named GAIM, which was short for GTK AIM, which was short for GIMP toolkit AOL IM, which was short for GNU Image Manipulation Program toolkit America Online Instant Messenger, which was short for GNU’s Not Unix Image Manipulation Program toolkit America Online Instant Messenger and it never ends.
I could be wrong but my understanding of the EU interoperability laws is that they cover interoperability between services (for example, being able to message a Telegram user from WhatsApp and vice versa), not interoperability with third-party clients apps.
“GNU is Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit” is still a better name for GTK than “GIMP ToolKit”.
It’s a name that will definitely raise some eyebrows in the less technically inclined circles. (and maybe a few “Pulp Fiction” references about “bring out the gimp”)
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The logo looks like an ASCII butt.
Put the E at the front and a 3 on the end and you have exactly that.
If your butt looks like that, please see a doctor.
I hate backronyms
Common is a pretty basic name, Kool is way cooler.
*Kooler
*kooler
I can’t wait to hear about the GNU Is Not UNIX Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of Hurd of Hird of
Don’t worry, at the rate it’s going it probably will never see the light of day in any usable sense for the average person.
Also, almost all of that is written in C, which is a successor to B, which is a simplified version of the Basic Combined Programming Language. There was never an A.
Is there a D?
Yes, but I’m not sure if we want to open the “programming language can of worms”.
There’s B, C, C++, C#, Objective-C, D, E, F, F#, F* and so many more. Also, they may or may not have anything to do with each other
But of course Java and Javascript are related /s
I once had a C# dev tell me they couldn’t run JavaScript because they didn’t have Java installed.
The number of job applications using Java as a shorthand for Javascript…
Also I’ve read that C# is C++++ (like put those + on 2x2 table, which in turns ressemble a #)
Hahaha I’ve never heard that before. Seems legit.
C# was originally “Java: The Good Parts” but but these days it’s a much more advanced language and runtime compared to Java.
As a dev who works on both Java and C# code, modern Java (17+) and C# feel almost exactly the same (not sure if Java has extension methods though).
Bonus points for using Kotlin instead tho. I dislike both Java and C# just because they both allow any object to be null and that’s usually a headache whenever a null exception shows up.
The only thing I like better about C# is the Fixture library for testing. I haven’t found any mature libraries like it for Java yet.
C# has nullable reference types now: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/nullable-references. If you enable it, you have to explicitly make reference types nullable (like
?string) and you’ll get build warnings if you try to use a variable that’s potentially null.Of course. Great, another D in programming.
Yes. D is pretty awesome.
Assembly.
Ding ding.
Though there was a programming language called A Programming Language. Not the A programming language. A Programming Language.
@mindbleach @waigl APL?
Yes, A Programming Language.
Which requires a space-cadet keyboard.
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The two hardest problems in computer science are cache invalidation, naming things, and off by one errors.
A recent video I watched by Stand Up Maths about an off by one error 1200 years in the making:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAdmpAZTH_M
It’s not GNUIMP it’s GIMP
what do you think the G is for
Gnu, expanded once not twice.
GNU is Not Unix is recursive
You’re recursive
You’re recursive
You’re recursive
It is you who is the one who is recursive.
Of course not, it’s the GNU[NU…]IMPTK.
I have a slightly higher appreciation for recursive acronyms now.
This sounds like it was written for a medical research journal.
I mean… if you put it like that…
What a coincidence, I’m currently learning GTK4/Libadwaita :>
Wait why didn’t they keep unpacking the recursive acronym further? GNU’s Not Unix’s Not Unix’s Not Unix’s Not Unix I’d say that’s a pretty good amount although if there’s a mathematical way of formulating the unpacking of acronyms in a text I’d like to see the that repeated until infinity.
i tried that and the stack overflowed
Fair enough.
Never let programmers name things 😁
Also, this longevity should prove that product managers are useless.
Naming things is hard, and everyone remembers these names, so they must have done something right.
Yes, naming things one of the three hard computing problems left along with cache invalidation.
I feel bad that you’ve been left hanging there.
What’s the third one? :)
Probably off-by-one errors
Yea no kidding. Gnome is pronounced Guhnome, Mate DE is pronounced Matay, Open Suse is susuh not soos, and Qt is to be pronounced as “cute” instead of just… Q-T. Many such cases.
Wait for real? I don’t think I’ve heard many say those terms out loud, i pronounce them in my head Nome, Mate, Soos, and q-t
Web browsers: elinks, based on links, which I’m pretty sure was a play on words on lynx, which is a play on words on “links” on a web page.
Then there’s email. There’s mahogany and balsa and mulberry, which are in-jokes referring to pine, which was a joke referring to elm, which stood for ELectronic Mail. Pine has been forked to alpine, in an entirely different play on words.
Open Watcom supports a debugging format called DWARF, which I assumed was a ridiculous acronym, until I learned it only works on ELF binaries.
The big one is how there was a programming language called A Programming Language. There is a B programming language, but it’s unrelated, being developed for Multics… Multics being the inspiration for Unix, a joke about castration. The developers of B went on to develop C. C was followed up by the command to increment a variable: C++. Except some interdisciplinary dorks thought it was a musical note and created C#. D is somehow a sequel to both of those.
There’s a reason why-- look. Nicholas Metropolis, namesake of the raytracing method, was sick of mainframe computers with ridiculous acronyms like ENIAC, AVIDAC, and ILLIAC, so he named his university’s new machine MANIAC. Absolutely no-one got the joke. All computer scientists are broken in the same peculiar way, and it is impossible to satirize how stupid we get when asked to name a thing.
Wonder if it runs on Alpine the Linux distro.
In other news, I never knew pine’s genetic code still lives on; but I miss elm more. Can we do uw-imap too? Dovecot annoys me.
I’ve run alpine on alpine, it works just fine
My favorite part of the AI boom is how all the stupid internal names become public. It moves so fast that there’s no time to rebrand from the dork-ass things engineers come up with.
Don’t worry, it won’t be long before you find this sort of programmer humour more tiresome than charming.
Not everyone becomes a joyless spoilsport.
Everyone does after enough repetition. #endlessSeptember
And before Pidgin was named Pidgin, it was named GAIM, which was short for GTK AIM, which was short for GIMP toolkit AOL IM, which was short for GNU Image Manipulation Program toolkit America Online Instant Messenger, which was short for GNU’s Not Unix Image Manipulation Program toolkit America Online Instant Messenger and it never ends.
Which bible passage is that again?
Stallman 2:7-11
May his toes never jam
I’m trying very hard but this seems harder than my math class.
Does anyone still use pidgin in 2024 even?
I use gajim/conversation/siskin spiritual successor
With the new EU’s interconnection laws I hope I can WhatsApp from Pidgin, or even from irssi!
But no, I don’t use pidgin anymore. irssi, yes.
I could be wrong but my understanding of the EU interoperability laws is that they cover interoperability between services (for example, being able to message a Telegram user from WhatsApp and vice versa), not interoperability with third-party clients apps.
“GNU is Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit” is still a better name for GTK than “GIMP ToolKit”.
It’s a name that will definitely raise some eyebrows in the less technically inclined circles. (and maybe a few “Pulp Fiction” references about “bring out the gimp”)