I’d say it’s not the LLM at fault. The LLM is essentially an innocent. It’s the same as a four year old being told if they clap hard enough they’ll make thunder. It’s not the kids fault that they’re being fed bad information.
The parents (companies) should be more responsible about what they tell their kids (LLMS)
Edit. Disregard this though if I’ve completely misunderstood your comment.
Yeah that’s my point, too. AI employing companies should be held responsible for the stuff their AIs say. See how much they like their AI hype when they’re on the hook for it!
I’d say it’s more that parents (companies) should be more responsible about what they tell their kids (customers).
Because right now the companies have a new toy (AI) that they keep telling their customers can make thunder from clapping. But in reality the claps sometimes make thunder but are also likely to make farts. Occasionally some incredibly noxious ones too.
The toy might one day make earth-rumbling thunder reliably, but right now it can’t get close and saying otherwise is what’s irresponsible.
Sorry, I didn’t know we might be hurting the LLM’s feelings.
Seriously, why be an apologist for the software? There’s no effective difference between blaming the technology and blaming the companies who are using it uncritically. I could just as easily be an apologist for the company: not their fault they’re using software they were told would produce accurate information out of nonsense on the Internet.
Neither the tech nor the corps deploying it are blameless here. I’m well aware than an algorithm only does exactly what it’s told to do, but the people who made it are also lying to us about it.
Sorry, I didn’t know we might be hurting the LLM’s feelings.
You’re not going to. CS folks like to anthropomorphise computers and programs, doesn’t mean we think they have feelings.
And we’re not the only profession doing that, though it might be more obvious in our case. A civil engineer, when a bridge collapses, is also prone to say “is the cable at fault, or the anchor” without ascribing feelings to anything. What it is though is ascribing a sort of animist agency which comes natural to many people when wrapping their head around complex systems full of different things well, doing things.
The LLM is, indeed, not at fault. The LLM is a braindead cable anchor that some idiot put in a place where it’s bound to fail.
I mean - I don’t think anyone’s solution to this issue would be to put an AI on trial… but it’d be extremely reasonable to hold Google responsible for any potential damages from this and I think it’d also be reasonable to go after the organization that trained this model if they marketed it as an end-user ready LLM.
You don’t have time to be depressed when you’re trying to fix xorg.conf. (yeah, I know, super dated reference, Linux is actually so good these days I can’t find an equivalent joke).
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe… CRTs on fire from an xorg.conf typo… I configured display servers in the dark cause the screen was black… All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain… Time to switch to Wayland.
You haven’t lived until you’ve compiled a 3com driver in order to get token ring connectivity so you can download the latest kernel source that has that new ethernet thing in it.
I’m not sure because google.com requires JavaScript and then when I enable it it says it’s had too much malicious behavior from my VPN address and to enable another host gstatic to connect to I’m guessing for a rechaptcha and I gave up
If you legitimately got this search result - please fucking reach out to your local suicide hot line and make them aware. Google needs to be absolutely sued into the fucking ground for mistakes like these that are
Google trying to make a teensy bit more money
Absolutely will push at least a few people over the line into committing suicide.
We must hold companies responsible for bullshit their AI produces.
Not for everyone, but it would help a lot of people who have depression that was caused primarily by financial stress, working in a job/career that they aren’t passionate about, etc…
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help someone who is struggling to meet their basic needs not get stuck in a depressive state. Plus, it can be used in exchange for goods and services that show efficacy against depression.
Everyone’s brains are different. For some SSRIs might work. For others, SNRIs. While there are claims of cocaine and prostitutes being helpful for some, that’s not really scientifically proven and there the significant health and imprisonment risks. There is, however, strong evidence for certain psychedelics.
The sibling comment said drugs which may be effective for some people but I’d actually just highlight “leisure” being able to afford to explore when your mind takes you is a luxury that pays off massively for your mental health. I have wanderlust and I’m a programmer, sometimes my legs want to move and, with my understanding boss, I can go out into the world and walk along the beaches or through the forest while I ponder problems… this is a huge boon for my mental health and is something most employees can’t afford due to monetary stresses and toxic employers.
Should Reddit or quora be liable if Google used a link instead? Ai doesn’t need to work 100% of the time. It just needs to be better than what we are using.
What you’re focused on is actually the DMCA safe harbor provision.
If Reddit says, “We have a platform and some dumbass said to snort granulated sugar” it’s different from Google saying, “You should snort granulated sugar.”
Make it apple employees in store and Microsoft forums. If humans give bad advice 10% of the time and Ai (or any technological replacement) makes mistakes 1% of the time, you can’t point to that 1% as a gotcha.
You’re shifting the goal posts though - prior to AI being an expert reference on the internet was expensive and dangerous, since you could potentially be held liable - as such a lot of topic areas simply lacked expert reference sources. Google has declared itself an expert reference in every topic utilizing Gemini - it isn’t, this will end badly for them.
what are you whining about? Hallucination is inherently part of LLM as of today. Anything out of this should not be trusted with certainty. But employing it will have more benefits than just shadowing it for everyone. Take it as an unfinished project, so ignore the results if you like. Seriously, it’s physically possible to actually ignore the generative results.
I absolutely agree and I consider LLM results to be “neat” but never trusted - if I think I should bake spaghetti squash at 350 I might ask an LLM and only find real advice if our suggested temperatures vary.
But some people have wholly bought into the “it’s a magic knowledge box” bullshit - you’ll see opinions here on lemmy that generative AI can make novel creations that indicate true creativity… you’ll see opinions from C-level folks that LLMs can replace CS wholesale who are chomping at the bit to downsize call centers. Companies need to be careful about deceiving these users and those that feed into the mysticism really need to be stopped.
you’ll see opinions here on lemmy that generative AI can make novel creations that indicate true creativity…
Yeah I’m not jumping that bandwagon yet, but I think no one is able to determine either side of that. It makes terrific art, so it’s not out the realm of impossibility. The only sensible stance we can take right now, is none, and just wait and see whether AI art can hold up in the long run.
Taking any serious stance right now a priori would be illogical. I don’t understand the fuss people make it out to be. Yes, artists will suffer financially and will therefore limit their time investment and advancements in art, but sacrificing or halting the development of AI for them is also not a possibility. So yes, artists are fucked right now, but there is nothing we can do about that right now. Hopefully, some UBI, but that’s not here now.
But yes, companies deceiving and not warning about the hallucinations of AI, is bad. But it’s not their fault people believe stupid shit because they have always believed and will always believe stupid shit.
Is this not real? I’ve done some Googling diligence and it’s been inconclusive - I’d really like to know as there are starry eyed sales people who keep pushing strong for integrating customer facing AI and I’ve been looking for a concrete example of it fucking up that’d leave us really liable. This and the “add glue to cheese” are both excellent examples that I haven’t been able to verify the veracity of.
Stupid actions in adding unsanitized AI output to search results are real, those very specific memetic searches leading to single Reddit comment seem to not be real
I’m not sure how you’d tell unless there is some reputable source that claims they saw this search result themselves, or you found it yourself. Making a fake is as easy as inspect element -> edit -> screenshot.
They don’t need to scrape Lemmy. They just need a federated instance and then they have literally everything you post delivered to them as part of the way Lemmy is designed.
Please understand literally nothing on Lemmy is private.
Put a public pgp key in your profile bio, then you can actually send true end to end encrypted messages over insecure public channels.
A very similar conversation led to a joke chain of pgp encrypted replies between me and some other rando on Reddit a few years ago. We were both banned.
The thing these AI goons need to realize is that we don’t need a robot that can magically summarize everything it reads. We need a robot that can magically read everything, sort out the garbage, and summarize the the good parts.
The thing is that that was how Google became so big in the first place. PageRank was a cool way of trying to filter out the garbage and it worked real well. Even my non techy friends have been getting frustrated with search not working like it used to (even before all this Gemini stuff was added)
How are you getting these summaries? I’m trying to get my own silly results like this but it doesn’t show up anywhere I’ve tried.
I tried on Android and PC then tried a different Google account in Chrome on my work laptop. I even made sure AI Overviews were enabled on the Labs page
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Didn’t get this when I tried it
I can’t wait to see my old horny comments about anime girls come up.
Ah yes. Because that one Reddit users option holds equal weight to the thousands of professionals in the eyes of an LLM.
This is gonna get worse before it gets better.
I’d say it’s not the LLM at fault. The LLM is essentially an innocent. It’s the same as a four year old being told if they clap hard enough they’ll make thunder. It’s not the kids fault that they’re being fed bad information.
The parents (companies) should be more responsible about what they tell their kids (LLMS)
Edit. Disregard this though if I’ve completely misunderstood your comment.
Yeah that’s my point, too. AI employing companies should be held responsible for the stuff their AIs say. See how much they like their AI hype when they’re on the hook for it!
I’d say it’s more that parents (companies) should be more responsible about what they tell their kids (customers).
Because right now the companies have a new toy (AI) that they keep telling their customers can make thunder from clapping. But in reality the claps sometimes make thunder but are also likely to make farts. Occasionally some incredibly noxious ones too.
The toy might one day make earth-rumbling thunder reliably, but right now it can’t get close and saying otherwise is what’s irresponsible.
Sorry, I didn’t know we might be hurting the LLM’s feelings.
Seriously, why be an apologist for the software? There’s no effective difference between blaming the technology and blaming the companies who are using it uncritically. I could just as easily be an apologist for the company: not their fault they’re using software they were told would produce accurate information out of nonsense on the Internet.
Neither the tech nor the corps deploying it are blameless here. I’m well aware than an algorithm only does exactly what it’s told to do, but the people who made it are also lying to us about it.
You’re not going to. CS folks like to anthropomorphise computers and programs, doesn’t mean we think they have feelings.
And we’re not the only profession doing that, though it might be more obvious in our case. A civil engineer, when a bridge collapses, is also prone to say “is the cable at fault, or the anchor” without ascribing feelings to anything. What it is though is ascribing a sort of animist agency which comes natural to many people when wrapping their head around complex systems full of different things well, doing things.
The LLM is, indeed, not at fault. The LLM is a braindead cable anchor that some idiot put in a place where it’s bound to fail.
I mean - I don’t think anyone’s solution to this issue would be to put an AI on trial… but it’d be extremely reasonable to hold Google responsible for any potential damages from this and I think it’d also be reasonable to go after the organization that trained this model if they marketed it as an end-user ready LLM.
Then it’ll get worse again.
Thankfully, Reddit permanently banned me.
Don’t worry, they’ll still use your data.
Lemmy would’ve suggested bean diet
Feeling suicidal? No. Okay then try an all bean diet and see if it helps.
also suggesting that those beans could have been found in a nebula, dick
Or installing Linux. You’ll still be depressed, but at least you have a good reason now.
You don’t have time to be depressed when you’re trying to fix xorg.conf. (yeah, I know, super dated reference, Linux is actually so good these days I can’t find an equivalent joke).
Editing grub.cfg from an emergency console, or running grub-update from a chroot is a close second.
Adding the right Modeline to xorg.conf seemed more like magic when it worked. 🧙🏼
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe… CRTs on fire from an xorg.conf typo… I configured display servers in the dark cause the screen was black… All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain… Time to switch to Wayland.
You haven’t lived until you’ve compiled a 3com driver in order to get token ring connectivity so you can download the latest kernel source that has that new ethernet thing in it.
haha I really like Linux but that’s funny and somehow also true😂
You’ll also get knee-socks so win/win
I’ve been using Linux for 17 years but they still didn’t issue me my pair of knee-socks. WTF?
Idk, are you using arch? There seems to be a correlation from what I’ve gathered from Lemmy
Yes, actually. Even with a tiling WM!
I feel so left out!
And you have a lot to (look forward to) do which might actually help
Or not pooping for days
3 days of intensive treatment. That’ll sort ya
And installing Linux and axe-murdering anyone with a car.
The gift that keeps on giving
I’d call that karma for Reddit and Google.
One reddit user suggests LOREM IPSUM DOLOR SIT AMET
Is this real?
Seems not, as several people failed to reproduce it. At least, not yet real
I’m not sure because google.com requires JavaScript and then when I enable it it says it’s had too much malicious behavior from my VPN address and to enable another host gstatic to connect to I’m guessing for a rechaptcha and I gave up
Guess all those SEO pranks came back to bite you in the ass, huh?
Nope, but there’s a whole thread of people talking about how LLMs can’t tell what’s true or not because they think it is, which is deliciously ironic.
It seems like figuring out what’s bullshit on the Internet is an everyone problem.
If you legitimately got this search result - please fucking reach out to your local suicide hot line and make them aware. Google needs to be absolutely sued into the fucking ground for mistakes like these that are
Google trying to make a teensy bit more money
Absolutely will push at least a few people over the line into committing suicide.
We must hold companies responsible for bullshit their AI produces.
Be depressed
Want to commit suicide
Google it
Gets this result
Remembers comment
Sues
Gets thousands of dollars
Depression cured (maybe)
well at least you’d be suicidal with money!
Lots of dead famous rich people show that money does not cure depression.
Not for everyone, but it would help a lot of people who have depression that was caused primarily by financial stress, working in a job/career that they aren’t passionate about, etc…
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help someone who is struggling to meet their basic needs not get stuck in a depressive state. Plus, it can be used in exchange for goods and services that show efficacy against depression.
What kind of goods and services?
Everyone’s brains are different. For some SSRIs might work. For others, SNRIs. While there are claims of cocaine and prostitutes being helpful for some, that’s not really scientifically proven and there the significant health and imprisonment risks. There is, however, strong evidence for certain psychedelics.
TL;DR - Drugs might be helpful for some.
The sibling comment said drugs which may be effective for some people but I’d actually just highlight “leisure” being able to afford to explore when your mind takes you is a luxury that pays off massively for your mental health. I have wanderlust and I’m a programmer, sometimes my legs want to move and, with my understanding boss, I can go out into the world and walk along the beaches or through the forest while I ponder problems… this is a huge boon for my mental health and is something most employees can’t afford due to monetary stresses and toxic employers.
Should Reddit or quora be liable if Google used a link instead? Ai doesn’t need to work 100% of the time. It just needs to be better than what we are using.
What you’re focused on is actually the DMCA safe harbor provision.
If Reddit says, “We have a platform and some dumbass said to snort granulated sugar” it’s different from Google saying, “You should snort granulated sugar.”
That’s… not relevant to my point at all.
Make it apple employees in store and Microsoft forums. If humans give bad advice 10% of the time and Ai (or any technological replacement) makes mistakes 1% of the time, you can’t point to that 1% as a gotcha.
You’re shifting the goal posts though - prior to AI being an expert reference on the internet was expensive and dangerous, since you could potentially be held liable - as such a lot of topic areas simply lacked expert reference sources. Google has declared itself an expert reference in every topic utilizing Gemini - it isn’t, this will end badly for them.
what are you whining about? Hallucination is inherently part of LLM as of today. Anything out of this should not be trusted with certainty. But employing it will have more benefits than just shadowing it for everyone. Take it as an unfinished project, so ignore the results if you like. Seriously, it’s physically possible to actually ignore the generative results.
“Absolutely sued” my ass
I absolutely agree and I consider LLM results to be “neat” but never trusted - if I think I should bake spaghetti squash at 350 I might ask an LLM and only find real advice if our suggested temperatures vary.
But some people have wholly bought into the “it’s a magic knowledge box” bullshit - you’ll see opinions here on lemmy that generative AI can make novel creations that indicate true creativity… you’ll see opinions from C-level folks that LLMs can replace CS wholesale who are chomping at the bit to downsize call centers. Companies need to be careful about deceiving these users and those that feed into the mysticism really need to be stopped.
Yeah I’m not jumping that bandwagon yet, but I think no one is able to determine either side of that. It makes terrific art, so it’s not out the realm of impossibility. The only sensible stance we can take right now, is none, and just wait and see whether AI art can hold up in the long run.
Taking any serious stance right now a priori would be illogical. I don’t understand the fuss people make it out to be. Yes, artists will suffer financially and will therefore limit their time investment and advancements in art, but sacrificing or halting the development of AI for them is also not a possibility. So yes, artists are fucked right now, but there is nothing we can do about that right now. Hopefully, some UBI, but that’s not here now.
But yes, companies deceiving and not warning about the hallucinations of AI, is bad. But it’s not their fault people believe stupid shit because they have always believed and will always believe stupid shit.
This seems to not be real (yet) though.
And another point to notice is I doubt any llm would say “one reddit user suggests”.
Is this not real? I’ve done some Googling diligence and it’s been inconclusive - I’d really like to know as there are starry eyed sales people who keep pushing strong for integrating customer facing AI and I’ve been looking for a concrete example of it fucking up that’d leave us really liable. This and the “add glue to cheese” are both excellent examples that I haven’t been able to verify the veracity of.
This is from the account that spread the image originally: https://x.com/ai_for_success/status/1793987884032385097
Alternate Bluesky link with screencaps (must be logged in): https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3ktarh3vgde2b
Thank you, internet sleuth!
Just so others do not need to click etc: they found out it was faked and apologize for spreading fake news.
Stupid actions in adding unsanitized AI output to search results are real, those very specific memetic searches leading to single Reddit comment seem to not be real
I’m not sure how you’d tell unless there is some reputable source that claims they saw this search result themselves, or you found it yourself. Making a fake is as easy as inspect element -> edit -> screenshot.
I gotchu on the cheese
My comment - relied on another user’s modified prompt to avoid Google’s incredibly hasty fix
i pulled the image from a meme channel, so i dont know if its real or not, but at the same time, this below does look like a legit response
So you can put raw chicken meat inside your armpit and it’s done? Sounds legit.
If you have a fever.
Slight fever.
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Turns out AI is about as bad at verifying sources as Lemmy users.
I have read elsewhere that it was faked.
(Edit: meaning the original, with the golden gate bridge)
…does the chicken’s power level need to be over 9000 in order to be safe to eat?
Leaving my chicken for 10 minutes near a window on a warm summer day and then digging in
It’s like sushi… kinda
It’s faked.
Is it any wonder these businesses are SO successful
I assume these things can scrape Lemmy too?
They don’t need to scrape Lemmy. They just need a federated instance and then they have literally everything you post delivered to them as part of the way Lemmy is designed.
Please understand literally nothing on Lemmy is private.
Not even this super secret messages I’m sending you?
Put a public pgp key in your profile bio, then you can actually send true end to end encrypted messages over insecure public channels.
A very similar conversation led to a joke chain of pgp encrypted replies between me and some other rando on Reddit a few years ago. We were both banned.
The thing these AI goons need to realize is that we don’t need a robot that can magically summarize everything it reads. We need a robot that can magically read everything, sort out the garbage, and summarize the the good parts.
Good luck ever defining “good”.
The thing is that that was how Google became so big in the first place. PageRank was a cool way of trying to filter out the garbage and it worked real well. Even my non techy friends have been getting frustrated with search not working like it used to (even before all this Gemini stuff was added)
good = whatever increases the stocks value
/j
No joke there, you’re completely correct.
How are you getting these summaries? I’m trying to get my own silly results like this but it doesn’t show up anywhere I’ve tried.
I tried on Android and PC then tried a different Google account in Chrome on my work laptop. I even made sure AI Overviews were enabled on the Labs page
Pretty sure I saw an article last week when it rolled out that it’s USA only. Haven’t seen it in Australia yet either.
Finally a Google product I don’t mind then sending to the graveyard.